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What is freedom?

Do you know what real freedom is?

Does anybody know what it is?

Is it possible to know it?

Well, let’s discuss :)

From my own philosophical studies on this subject on works written in 1954 by Mr Hubbard (golden essay Trapped) I came to understand this subject much better and I would like to brief about it.

First of all there is a difference in freedom from and real freedom.

Freedom from is easy to understand. That would be like freedom from entrapment like a prison or such similar thing.

So let’s speak about freedom from a bit.

A guy finally get’s released from prison after 10 years, now he is free. Well, free from the prison that is.

Now, is that guy now more free than for example you or me? Subjective maybe yes.

Actually any physical thing (matter, energy, space and time) can be a barrier and thus entrap you. And on the other side of the coin is that any thing, really, can entrap you mentally. You can imagine being in a prison while you actually are not.

But let us assume and take an example were the guy is sane.

You for example. Are you free in the definition free from?

Yes and no. Everything is relative. You are also trapped, did you know that?

You cannot leave this planet, you are stuck in time and you cannot even fly like a bird. Pretty trapped if you look on the extreme. :)

So we didn’t get so far with freedom from, it’s all physical, subjective and relative.

Let’s talk about the real freedom.

How would a mountain climber be more free?

Well, let’s look at it. His purpose is to climb mountains. So if he would achieve that he would achieve happiness.

So, how would he easier achieve it? By being more able to do it.

The way to freedom goes through higher ability.

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About the Author Jim Westergren Jim Westergren is a web entrepreneur from Sweden now living in Bolivia. He is happily married and has two lovely children. Some of his interests are web development, SEO and writing. He is the Founder and CTO of TodaysWeb and his current major project is N.nu. Read his . Follow Jim on Twitter or Google+.
  • Hedar

    Hi,
    Just a couple of thoughts,
    You claim that nothing, or nobody, can be truly free until they free themselfs from the bounderies of matter, time and so on.
    Lets discuss :)

    If someone suddenly freed themselfs from this entrapment and became truley free it would be pretty hard for them to exist. Due to matter, time and space is the definition of existing things.

    Modern physics claims that electrons never relly exists until you look at them, thus entraping them. Which makes us conclude that if a person doesnt exist and you suddenly look at him, he is entraped.

    So you can exist without being trapt, im sorry :)

    In conclusion: nobody can be relly free.

    regards
    /David

  • Hedar

    woops, sorry thats:
    “can’t exist without being trapt, im sorry”

    /David

  • Erin

    To whom it may concern,
    Freedom is the opprotunity to own your own destiny, within the limits of reason and morality. One has the power to make their own priorities and to act upon them accordingly. However, freedom has to be balanced with order. When one’s freedom constricts another’s freedom it has gone too far and there will undoubtedly be consequences. Sometimes harsh consequences. Examples of this would be murder and rape, for which persecution would later ensue. Everyone has the freedom to control their own thoughts, which can never be taken away. (Unless they’re crazy, in which case nevermind. And I’m not being funny about this.) Even in societies where freedom is limited, thought and emotions are untouched by these restrictions.
    THE END!…oh, and peace out!!

  • Hedar

    How do you that we can control our own thoughts?

    Lets examine 1984 (the book),
    You, as an reader, understand that the world of Big Brother is an evil and dark future. Does the people in it? I still remember the last sentence: “I love Big Brother”
    Our mind is not ours because it looks at the world around us and make assumptions.
    This is not just true in fiction, look at Nazi Germany or North Korea, are these people dumber then us?
    Propaganda, the art of controlling peoples minds, is understandibly a must in every nation figthing a war. Even if its a war on terrorism.
    /David

  • Hedar

    argh, again… i whish there was an edit button…

    How do you know that we can control our own thoughts?

    of course

    /david

  • joel

    I believe the proof we can control our own thoughts is in the fact that we can ask that question.

    People in Nazi Germany for example, were never allowed to question the propoganda being used by the government; indeed, Hitler started the war partly as a way of taking their minds off this issue.

    If our thoughts are being controlled, then whoever controls them is allowing us to ask these questions, and presumably will guide us to the answers they want us to hear, thus making the discussion pointless.

  • Hedar

    Suchs questions is really the problem, if we return to North Korea probobly any person walking the streets, “What do you think of USA?” they would, without a doubt say “I hate them!”
    In North Korea most people belive that they have problems around them, such as starvation, lack of medical supplies etc but the reason they are not revolting is that they belive that the world around them is far worse off. This one of the reasons USA won´t invade NK. Every man, women and child would try to stop them from making their life even worse (even though i suppose USA wouldn´t try to destroy the country but rather rebuild it).
    The people of NK wouldn´t ask the question “Perhaps USA is a better place to live?” because this is a fact that doesn´t exist for them.

    “But still, our thoughts are free” you say?
    Well if the people of NK can be fooled so can we. I´m not trying to make up some radical Consperation theory, i just want to say:
    Which question hav´nt we asked yet?

  • Amber

    I think that there is no such thing as being free because there is always going to be something there for some one to say why you can’t do something. note: I’m only 15 so you will probably just blow this off

  • Matthew Puccio

    Amber has a point, there will always be rules. But there is freedom. We live with incredible freedom in the USA. We can insult our president, practice our own religion, print what we want to, go anywhere we want pretty much. In other countries… this would get you killed… I luv teh US of A!

    :-D

  • amanda

    What ever . who evers web site this is, it was really fun writing on here but I have to go to my next class. Thanks for your time!!@!!!!!!!

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    Good discussion but I had to delete some …

  • Honig

    Have you put FREEDOM in perspective and do you have a clue?

    I don’t know the difference between being FREE AND BOUND because I grew up in a FREE ENVIRONMENT with parents that supported me no matter what …

    My father fought for Europe’s FREEDOM and my mother was a teen in World War II. The fight for freedom was inevitable and anyone with half a mind fought against communism and its beliefs because it is an unrealistic idea.

    Have you ever been confined? Have you ever felt the pain of being constrained?

    Do we know what we are discussing?

    Freedom is a belief and FREEDOM IS what you and I make of it at any time whenever we want to. All it takes is YOU AND ME to believe and trust.

    FREEDOM IS A BELIEF and I do believe in FREEDOM and I DO BELIEVE that FREEDOM WILL PREVAIL.

    DO NOT EVER DOUBT IN YOUR BELIEF AND DO NOT EVER QUESTION YOUR PURPOSE. EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON AND THE BEST WILL COME OF IT ALL.

  • Hedar

    Hehe, the last thing you wrote,
    “DO NOT EVER DOUBT IN YOUR BELIEF AND DO NOT EVER QUESTION YOUR PURPOSE. EVERYTHING HAPPENS FOR A REASON AND THE BEST WILL COME OF IT ALL.”
    This makes me belive that you have a deterministic view towards life. Still you claim to have freedom?
    There is no way at all that determinism and freedom can be one. If there is a great plan for everything in life nobody can choose anything, neither can you. So you see, you can´t be raised to be a free man because you never had a choise… not even once.
    Lets take a look, your father fougth in ww2 in Europe which probebly saved western Germany from Soviet-Communism. Should the western german people be thankfull towards England, usa and everyone else who fougth? I would lean to saying yes, but with your deterministic view towards life you´re saying no, why should people be thankful? It´s not like he had a choise to do anything diffrent.
    I don´t belive in a deterministic view of life. Things happen at random or as a reason from another random event.
    It´s true that there are diffrent kinds of freedom or diffrent degrees of freedom but i guess the things we discuss here is “is our mind free?”
    But I didn´t relly understand your views on freedom.
    “FREEDOM IS what you and I make of it at any time whenever we want to.”
    What´s that? So if Stalin said to his people, you are all free men and women? This makes the word freedom a word that can mean anything…. If i missunderstood, please educate me.

    Regards
    /David

  • emily

    Freedom is a belief? Are you serious? I need to know what freedom is for a report due this week and this website is not helping!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

  • Harry

    What exactly is freedom? Doesn’t it mean that you could do whatever you want. It can’t because then people would be killing their selves and other people with out getting in trouble and the world would be a wreck!! Someone please tell me what freedom is so I am not asking myself that question all the time!!
    Harry

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    Emily and Harry (same person), I think that for each person you will ask you will get a different answer. That is how philosophy is. I think the important thing is what you believ it is.

    It would be interesting if you left some comments here on what you came up with in your report.

  • Harry

    What kinds of freedoms do I have a a American that citizens of other nations do not?

  • Harry

    What can I do to show I am Free?

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    What kinds of freedoms do I have a a American that citizens of other nations do not?

    Look at the human rights, that might give you some ideas.

    What can I do to show I am Free?

    It depends on how you define “free”, and the definition of “free” varies from different people.

  • harry

    I learned that freedom has a different meaning to every single person. Everyone has a different view of what freedom means to them. It’s just what you believe it means. Am I right? I got an A on my report. So Freedom is just what you believe it is!!

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    I learned that freedom has a different meaning to every single person. Everyone has a different view of what freedom means to them. It’s just what you believe it means. Am I right? I got an A on my report. So Freedom is just what you believe it is!!

    You got an A, that is great Harry!!

  • Emily

    I think freedom is not being in jail, having the chance to do what you want for a job, and it is nice to be free. But it is not really free. But most people don’t want to realize that it is not free. Because most people are to into them selfs. So they don’t really think about it until a teacher tells you to wright a report about what you think about what freedom is and most people won’t do the report.

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    Emily,

    You also had to do a report? How did it go? You didn’t do it? :)

  • Rafael

    Damn you guys are bored. Bot so am I.

    So here’s my thought.

    Freedom is a mental condition-a condition of the spirit. All of us are free, if we but choose to acknowledge it. The essence of your “self” is your mind, soul, and spirit. We all are always free to change our thoughts, improve our knowledge and understanding, change our attitudes and beliefs-the inner part of each of us. We all are free in our minds. Even if we are held captive or imprisoned we are free. Although it is in our mind, we can do what we wish in there. All of life is a thought, the mind recognizes when you are physically free or not its work of instincts.

    Ofcourse this only reflects on sane people not insane.

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    Rafael,

    Your comment is probably the one that I agree with most. Good thoughts!

  • Hedar

    Congrats harry, post your project so we can read it! :)

    Rafael, i relly respect your opinion on this one but what makes you conclude that our mind is free?
    Its so hard to discuss that question because we all look at the world with our own eyes. Things i find important migth probably be unimportant to you :(

    My thougts of freedom is (being a liberal) that amout of freedom you have is in direct proportion with the amount of choises you have.

    If you can chose to buy milk from your neighbor our from the local store, if you can choose who governs you and who doesnt…
    That is real freedom.

    PS gotta love this discussion :) DS

  • sally

    your freedom stops when others freedom starts!

  • http://plum.nfshost.com/ john plum

    It seems a discussion of freedom, and hence morality, depends upon we whether we have decided we identify with the ephemeral matter and thought, or spirit-souls.

    I notice discussion tends to move in any direction where freedom is freedom from something relative, like USA life, embodied human life on earth, and on to morality. The last one, morality includes the inevitable warning of freedom to kill, and prohibitions.

    Morality concerns conditioned being (not being free), good and bad, conforming and not, with this fear of our own physical death in there somewhere. And the issue is not so much one of killing, but of hurting, because it is upon souls that pain is inflicted, including fear of death, not upon things.

    Before you wonder what is to stop me killing indiscriminately, let me say my true self has nothing to gain or lose, and is fearless of mortality, death, as it is not identical with the body. Either it is true or false. Do you have the right answer?

    I say our true selves have no impulse to kill, because when conscious in truth, there is no desire to kill, and in truth killing cannot be done. The thing you want to kill cannot be killed, especially if it exists…that is spirit.
    Only if we know truth can we be free, from indoctrination and from things, and even then, only if truth is we are spirit -souls.
    suspect people kill either because they want to be free of something that they kill, not because they are free…..

    Full Reply is posted it here, too much for a comment:

    http://plum.nfshost.com/journal/spiritsoultruth.html

    .

  • Hedar

    Hmm,
    Your link is broken John :/

  • Alex

    Freedom is the absence of existence.
    Through our entrapment, we exist. If we were not entraped then we would be non existent. this is not because we wouldn’t physically exist, but because our prspective and ordering of the Universe would not exist. Through entrapments we are motivated. Motivation works the human mind. Humans are just evolved molecular processes that function through entrapments. These molecular processes carry out functions that are proportional to something. I am not exactly sure to what they are proportional to, but they are proportional to something. (Wow. Those last two sentences look really stupid). The purpose of these molecular processes is to carry out functions that create other molecular processes, inanimate and animate. The human mind is evolved from these molecular processes, and the processes use a system in which sets certain “goals” to carry out these functions. I mean goals as in the wanted results of the functions. Freedom is the accomplishing of these functions. The functions and processes are on small scale, and they build up larger functions and processes. So freedom is different for different people because there are so many functions and processes that build up larger functions and processes that not all of them can be done. This self reward system is what perpetuates our existence. I typed in earlier that the human mind is evolved from a multitude of molecular processes. I would just like to point out that I am a Christian and I believe in God, even though I believe in evolution too. What makes me different from other people is that I do not need a compromise between ideas to be satisfied. I can keep them seperate in my mind. I hope this paragraph was helpful, and I hope it wasn’t confusing. If it was confusing or unhelpful, then I apologize. Thank you for your time with reading this paragraph. Bye.

  • Alex

    I was reading some of the other comments posted above and I read rafaels’s comment:

    Freedom is a mental condition-a condition of the spirit. All of us are free, if we but choose to acknowledge it. The essence of your “self” is your mind, soul, and spirit. We all are always free to change our thoughts, improve our knowledge and understanding, change our attitudes and beliefs-the inner part of each of us. We all are free in our minds. Even if we are held captive or imprisoned we are free. Although it is in our mind, we can do what we wish in there. All of life is a thought, the mind recognizes when you are physically free or not its work of instincts.

    I thought this was a very good idea, except for a few things I disagree with.

    You said above that people are free because they can change their thoughts. You point out that freedom is really a perspective, and no matter what physical things are happening to a person, they can change their thoughts. I think this was good, except you speak of the potential of freedom, rather than freedom itself. If someone thinks they are not free, even if they are free, then that person is not free. You can not change the outside, but only react to it. Freedom is just moving to another room in the castle. Even if you change your thoughts and perspectives, your mind must see in the perspective you set for yourself, so you are not exactly free. For example, if a person is held captive, or is improsoned, they can change their mind to feel that their imprisonment is a good thing. Even though you are free from your bad thoughts, you are trapped in your good, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing. Freedom is often associated with good, and entrapment (I hope I spelled that correct) is often associated with bad, but entrapment isn’t necessarily a bad thing, as I showed in my example above. Another example would be that you escape from a country that is after you. You are now free from the country that s chasing you, but you are entrapted somewhere else. I still thought that your perspective on this issue was good, and it has firm Psychological roots. If you ever study cognitive psychology, you will learn all about things like what you wrote.

  • donald duck

    that was awesome bravo

  • rani shahwar

    hi my name is bibi,
    and let me tell you something about freedom of speech in the U.S.A.
    freedom of speech in the united states is generally protected by the first amendment to the united states constitution. however, there are many expception to this general rule. including the Miller test for obsenity greater regulation of so called commerical speech, such as advertising

  • Aedan Sherry

    Freedom doesnt exist, just as nothing doesnt exist. To be free is to be nothing. No ties no boundaries, no barriers. Freedom is to not exist. Freedom as a human being is to be born. When you are created you are free as a human being no matter where or what situation you are in. You will always be human.

  • Janne

    Amber has a point, there will always be rules. But there is freedom. We live with incredible freedom in the USA. We can insult our president, practice our own religion, print what we want to, go anywhere we want pretty much. In other countries… this would get you killed… I luv teh US of A!

    I live in Finland, Europe and we can also insult our democratically elected president and other politicians, practice our own religion (christianity, islam, buddhism, ateism, whatever we want), we can go anywhere we want, travel any country we want, read what we want, say and publish what we want etc. etc.

    Aren’t we free? I think we are.

    What is so special in America’s freedom?

  • Rhys

    Good stuff, guys. I need this for school.

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    I agree with you Janne. I live in Sweden and it’s the same here.

    Rhys,

    Good! Harry the commenter above got an A on his report. Hope it goes the same good for you.

  • http://gdymov.com Gustaf Dymov

    Damn, very much spirituality over here…

    Freedom is a rather simple thing, though, and has nothing to do with the state of our mind; it isn’t subjective and relative.

    The reality is objective and can’t be influenced by our thoughts and wishes, only by our actions. Therefore, the physical world can’t be a limiting factor on our freedom (or freedom would be impossible). But indeed, the actions of other humans can: when others ask you to sacrifice you life for theirs sake, you are not longer free, your life has become a means for them to reach their aims.

    Freedom can be defined as the absence of coercion, coming from other human beings.

    (your logic is a little bit faulty in the article, Jim: you tell us that we are not =free from= because we can’t “leave this planet”, but that is plain wrong, since leaving this planet is a definite =freedom to= . There is no coercion in the fact that it is hard to leave this planet physically: you are free to leave since no one holds you here, but it will be difficult for you and probably cost a lot of money. This doesn’t mean you are trapped)

    In this perspective, it seems to me that people in no single country are really free: we are all forced to pay taxes, for instance. But Americans are sure much more free than Swedes =)))

  • anthony matrejek

    I am doing a project on freedom and it is very harding because i think freedom is the power to whatever when ever
    PLEASE HELP!!!!!!!!!!

  • anthony matrejek

    by the way i live the United States

  • http://www.jimwestergren.com/about-me-jim-westergren/ Jim Westergren

    Anthony,

    You have here a lot of texts and comments, I am sure that will help you. Good luck with your project.

  • http://daphneoliveros.com Daphne

    Rafael said,
    October 18, 2006 @ 11:00 pm

    Damn you guys are bored. Bot so am I.

    So here’s my thought.

    Freedom is a mental condition-a condition of the spirit. All of us are free, if we but choose to acknowledge it. The essence of your “self” is your mind, soul, and spirit. We all are always free to change our thoughts, improve our knowledge and understanding, change our attitudes and beliefs-the inner part of each of us. We all are free in our minds. Even if we are held captive or imprisoned we are free. Although it is in our mind, we can do what we wish in there. All of life is a thought, the mind recognizes when you are physically free or not its work of instincts.

    Ofcourse this only reflects on sane people not insane.

    Hi, I’m currently working on my homework about freedom and I happened to find this site. Thanks for the opinions, guys. :) This will help me a lot.

    Anyway…

    Refael’s opinion was lifted from an essay by Julie Watner.
    Read the whole text here: http://users.aol.com/vlntryst/defin.html

    It would have been better if you cited your source, Rafael. :D

  • http://www.sernak.com sernak osb

    Thanks for the opinions, guys http://www.sernak.com

  • http://www.freekingdom.org albert

    I am not free. While, I am free to explore and learn what I want on the internet and elsewhere where there are resources available (should they be available or free), The internet has captured my mind, body and soul. Am I free to stay awake or does my mind enslave me to continue to read on and continue my search more information about topics that shouldn’t really matter to my otherwise exciting life? I need to wake up soon and I’ve yet to sleep. I’m a slave to my own thirst for knowledge, which sounds good… but really, it may be a feeling of inadequacy or a feeling of not being smarter than anyone else in this discussion.

  • http://freekingdom.org albert

    btw to quote gustav “Freedom can be defined as the absence of coercion, coming from other human beings. ”

    how about mind control from these damn interesting message boards talking about freedom? is this considered coercion? or willful surrender? Either way, I am captured… where do I get out?.. oh.. looks like laptop is gonna die… i’m no longer free to browse the net. gnite

  • shavarious

    this still did not tell me what freedom was are..what freedom is all about.

  • Bob also known as Davey

    I preach a great deal about freedom. Freedom implies the opposite of imprisonment. The Bushmen of South Africa were free. Possession did not cross their minds. Everything on the Earth was free. Now they must pay a price. Freedom does not equal Free. If you own something, it belongs to you, or better yet you belong to it. Each year I go hiking on the Appalachian trail, just to semi-experience freedom. Free from my home, car, pets, job, boss, kids, shopping, bank, responsibilities, etc. The hiking takes me down to the basic concept of freedom, “survival”. We are all free to survive, but the cost of freedom is all the things I hike to get away from. After all “Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose”. Rock and Roll.

  • Wilson Rosin

    Freedom has a lot of meanings, as we can see, a lot of people say a lot of things, and they just wanna add something to what the other person said above him.
    someone said that freedom is when your thoughs are free
    and than come another person and says, but if you were a prisioner and for make your living less painfull, in your mind, you make it free??
    Commom….

    It will be a freedom when you look at the sky and don’t see bombs being launched to somebody else, someones nation.
    It will be freedom when U’ll be able to sit under a tree and listen to the birds singing, and the sun rising.
    It will be freedom when you just stop in a street and try to listening the sounds around you, and no one you’ll be loocking at you as if you are some kind of crazy
    It will be freedom when U’ll be able to take a deep breath, and after the deep breath you have absolut no worries..
    When your mind is in peace, there, …, you’ll be free!

  • Mary

    Freedom is good to have
    thank a veteran!!!!

  • JIEJIE

    FOR ME THE FREEDOM IS ALSO A NEW WAY FOR OURSELF TO EXPRESS MORE ON OUR FEELING AND DESIRES TO BE A HUMAN AND ALSO A PART OF THE WORLD

  • Ryan

    Very good comments by all… I am a college student studying architecture! I am applying for University and a creative writing excercise is required for my application portfolio… I love phylosiphy and topics of life.

    I would first like to say that freedom or any topic for that matter is to everyone a separate identity… And… Maybe that is freedom… Maybe being human in its simplist form is being free… no law, government, or religion, only your mind and what it alows you to believe… I once had a highschool prof tell me that facts don’t matter, its your opinions that mean something. What makes something right and what makes something wrong is only confined to what we make of it… just like time does not exist… how can time exist when the universe goes on forever? Time is a measurment we humans create to give us purpose. So freedom in your mind i believe is when u are not bound by government, law, or other streams of other peoples beliefs.

    Seperate from the mind i believe there is a phisical freedom that can be achieved… although this is much harder in modern day life due to the abundance of “consumerism” and “social trends” that most ppls (peoples) modern day life revolves around. Bob makes a good point about getting away from these constraints… and I believe bob finds a physical freedom when he travels on his trails as a caveman or nomad would back in the earliest times of man.

    Although freedom can be hard to achieve in modern day life i believe a person can find what freedom means to them… or close to…. some believe freedom is not existing, that this world confides them in everything they do… going back to a caveman, free, maybe, he can believe whatever he wishes and is not confined by space, but he is confined to what the world gives him. The caveman still has to eat, hunt, and survive. Therefore he is forced to do something by another force.

    I live in Canada and as a modern day person i believe i am as close to freedom i can achieve on this planet… As a Canadian we are not strongly tied to our government as sometimes (generalising) Americans are. We do not grow up as patriot to our country and the beliefs it stands for as the Americans do. It may sound like we don’t love our country but we do… maybe more than the americans do… but we love the fact that we are not forced apon by our government… we are taught in school to have open minds and to create opinions on our own… take the facts, take the opinions of others and create your own… don’t create bias and look at the whole picture… this is why we love our country… and this is what gets us a step closer in freedom.

    With all that being said i truely believe that humans will never find total freedom… our nature is to always want to define things and put restrictions on everything. We gave ourselves time to give what we did purpose and meaning. Humans can imagine or wrap their heads around the idea or infinity because everything we do in our life has an end. Even when the entire human race as we know it will be whiped out, time as we have defined it, will still go on.

    I know it may be off topic but i want to leave you guys with a thought… its something ive always wondered ever since i studied infinities in math.

    So if time isn’t real, if one second doesn’t exist, if the universe goes on forever, (and for you ppl who don’t think the universe goes on forever when does it end? and if it does, whats on the other side of it?) what is making us exist? 1 in infinity (mathimatically) Does not exist.

    Also, lets say u take a person and strip them down to their simplist form, a body, and 5 sences (what we call a brain). If you strip a human of those sences… does anything exist? is there a wall infront of you if you cant see it? feel it? smell it? taste it? hear it?

    don’t reply to on this website… just want u to think!!!

  • Ryan

    u now know why im in architecture… i can’t spell :)

  • Luke O

    Have you ever stopped just to watch? To watch other people go about their daily lives and have you ever wondered what their lives are like or what they are thinking at that moment? Whether it is at school or just out on the street when you’re with you friends or by your self? Just to take a few seconds and observe everything around you.

    For the past few days I have been stopping to watch, to watch my friends talk or mess about, to watch as a person crosses the street, and what I have realised is that everybody is connected is someway or another. Be them rich or poor, famous or unknown we all have some thing in common, life….. We take it for granted everyday, we put it on the line every time we make a cup of tea or when we walk to school, they very thing we fear` to lose, we gamble it every time we make choice to do something, for people it is a rush, for others it is a fear of loss that no amount of grieving or remembrance will ever replace for it is fragile that the smallest trip could take it away as quickly as it was given. It makes you think “What can I do then to reduce the risk of losing it” and real answer is nothing, the funny thing about life is that it can bring you happiness and love but also sadness and the feeling that no one in the world understands or cares about us, but no one in world can ever be understood unless they want to be deep in their heart,

  • Luke O

    I think that is real freedom

  • cha

    simple, freedom is “YOU” think of it.

  • Signorelli

    Isaiah 61 (New International Version)

    1 The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me,
    because the LORD has anointed me
    to preach good news to the poor.
    He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted,
    to proclaim freedom for the captives
    and release from darkness for the prisoners,

    Freedom is NOT do whatever you want….or as the dictionary prescribes, “The right to unrestricted use; full access”
    It is living according to our original design; which is contrary to our first nature. It is only in being transformed from slavery to our carnal mentality, and selfish desires- to selflessness and irreversible slavery to Christ.

  • Anti-Emo

    GOod Job With Homework

  • stephanie

    I believe there is no such thing as freedom. Even if you lived in a remote bushland with no human beings around for miles and miles you would still not be totally free as you would be depending on the environment, the weather, wild animals, so you would have to protect yourself against the cold or the heat, protect yourself against wild animals. So in my opinion there is no such thing as freedom.

    Stephanie

  • Stephan Smolka

    What is Freedom? Freedom as an absolute is a fantasy. In this context there is no freedom. But, being a social psychologist, let me define freedom in a relative way.
    Freedom is your ability to carryout decisions(either good or bad). Wheither this is a right or a privilege is another matter. What decisions your are allowed to make and if they are good or bad may depend on the society one lives in.
    Freedom is not a static value. If you make good (wise) decisions you are awarded with more freedom. If you make bad (destructive) decisions, freedom is taken away.
    The problem in society today is that most people equate freedom with the right to make bad decisions(this is only a small part of the picture). This being the case, they are having a hand in systematicly taking freedom away from society.
    Giving up Freedom for Security is another class of bad decision making.
    People may do this to stem the anxiety one feels in these uncertain times. Paradoxicly, loss is a cause of anxiety. While in the short term it feels safe to do so, in the long run, not being able to make your own decisions will cause more anxiety(and perhaps a downward spiral).

  • cindy

    life brings us happiness and sadness, which ,as long as exist we’ll never have the thing so called freedom. our feelings may be affected by any small thing that happen in the daily life, making us feel good or bad. all these feelings will largely restrict our behaviors in school or at work. a scholarship candidate whose mom just died in the morning can hardly deliver a wonderful speech as he expected ,even if he tried really hard to temporarily forget about the sadess. humam beings can never gain real freedom coz they care about things and people. ask the question, how can a bird fly high when it is tied with a rope.

  • lele

    freedom is when we r allowed to be who we want to be

  • O Xico

    Hi, I’m froim Brazil and I couldn’t stop looking at your comments. First of all I don’t really think that we are free, because when our freedom “starts” it conflicts with the freedom of other people. And about what was mention about the US people being more free than the rest I have to disagree and I recomend you to enter http://www.crazylaws.com , and you’ll see how Americans ain’t as free as “they” say.

  • Nouman Masood

    Hi all, I am from Pakistan and living in US for last 7 years. I will like to share an article with you plp. It’s really interesting and talks about the freedom in Pakistan.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/south_asia/6587129.stm

  • Yasene Shepherd

    “Freedom is the ability of individuals to be able to recognize who they are and what it means to be able to express themselves openly in whatever way, through whatever medium or form. We are never free until we are able to recognize that being free starts with freeing our minds and continues with freeing our lives from the negativity that surrounds us.” (yasene shpherd, 2007)

  • http://www.freewebs.com/yauey daniel smith

    i think freedom is democracy, no rules and the right to do what u want.

    But imagine if everyone did what they want would it work?

    NO it would be complete chaos.

    Freedom is lettig other people be free as well.

  • Balawyn

    Has anyone ever seen Dead Poets Society?
    Well, I am using this movie as a stimulus for a report.
    Most people are doing the set topics: Education, Tradition, etc.
    Although I petitioned and demanded to do a topic of my own choice.
    I chose freedom. If anyone here has ever seen the movie DPS then you may understand. I chose this because when Neil Perry takes his own life to be free… is death his freedom? Was he freed by the gun?
    Is death, the end or the beginning? If freedom in fact does not exist what are we running from, or too? What it is that we are all trying so desparately to shun or achieve? Was Neil Perry’s (character) death in vain, or death the only freedom? To no longer exist? For existance, is enclosure or entrappment? The ama-gi, a Sumerian cuneiform word, is the earliest known written symbol representing the idea of freedom.
    The English word “freedom” comes from an Indo-European root that means “to love.” Cognates of the English word “freedom” include the Old High German word for “peace” and our English word “afraid” from a Vulgar Latin word for breaking the peace. Is freedom achievable, what is it there to achieve? Is it fear, separating us from the life that we do not need, although yearn for in shadow? The word freedom in one form, means to love, what does that mean to you?

  • Lilly clow

    i am learning about freedom at school and i would like you to list all the freedom’s that you can think of prity please. that would be verry kind and then every one can have the freedom to look at all of them !

  • anju

    i think freedom is a spirit but it is more thought about n less lived and even if it is lived it creates problems

  • Leo

    It is obvious that complete freedom does not exist. As long as we identify ourselves with our bodies or minds, we are bound by the laws of nature.

    It seems to me that the only way to be free is to act in accordance with the laws of nature. To me this means doing what God wants us to do. I know that not everyone will agree that the Universe can “want” us to do anything. And I am not exactly equating God and the Universe.

    Anyway, in most situations there is a “right” choice. When we choose this “right” choice, we are free. In most situations we dont really have a choice. But if we choose the “wrong” choice, we only bind ourselves to the resulting consequences. This leads to a decrease in freedom.

    Now I know that the question of what is “right” and “wrong” arises. All I can say is that each individual should act in accord with their own beliefs–and not those imposed by anyone else.

    In conclusion, I believe that doing what is right increases freedom.

  • http://www.anarsist.org/ Edebiyat

    freedom is anarchism.

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  • Ashish

    what exactly freedom is?

  • jygs

    all of us have a free will. but not to the extent that we can really do wutever we want. freedom is when you fully understand your purpose in life and that you dont destroy other people’s freedom.

    all of us are responsible for our own actions. even atheists have a responsibilities though they are authentic people they still have responsibilities

  • Wolfie

    “Man is born free, yet everywhere he has chains” – Janes Rousseau

    Absolute freedom is essentially a word, rather than an achievable goal. We are confined to a frame of mind that has been writen by our experiences with others. From our society we learn what is right and wrong. It was stated in one of the past comments that ‘freedom was doing the right thing’. We learn from others and our mistakes what os truely the just thing. Therefore, our ‘ethics’ or ‘morals’ are nothing more than what we have grown to believe.

    For example, African tribes used to exercise their beliefs that female circumission was acceptable. The brutal act killed many. Now it was considered ‘right’ to the tribal people but to us, it was wrong

  • albert

    It’s been quite a while since I first read, then posted on this discussion (and a really, sometimes I wonder if this is more a discussion, or just a bunch of people who are enslaved to their personal belief that they are smarter than other people, or that they have something valuable to share even when it’s just a regurgitation of what other people have previously said)… anyhow…

    With that being said, I’m just back to say once again that I’m not free (at least that’s what my wife says). I dare anyone who believes that they are free to sit and contemplate why you do what you do each moment of each day you will realize that you are a slave to something and for that you are not free.

    It starts from as minor a thing as the urge to respond to this discussion. Are you free to respond? – yes. However every freedom that we choose to exercise is really the effect of something inside of us that we are enslaved to (personal demons) causing us to exercise that freedom.

    We are all a slave to something… be it our carnal desires, our personal / public self image, a religion, a political party, etc. If you have joined any organized institution (even a college / university), you are part of the pride of that institution. You are socially bound to certain ideals shared by the commons of your group.

    Do you have family obligations? (Wife, husband, child, old-aged members)
    Do you have a job?
    Do you go to school? – why? – so you can get a job? so you can show value? so you can meet someone to procreate with?

    I’m not going to go on much further, because I’m free to stop whenever I want… NOT… I have to get packed to go to an airport or else I’ll miss my flight! – I’m going on vacation to feel freedom!!!

    As you can tell, I’m not a scholar or a professor or a professional in this field (and this will discredit my posting in the eyes of some people). For those who feel like my post has hurt their idea on freedom, allow me to regurgitate what many others have also said: Freedom does not truly exist. All words or ideals are constructs of our beliefs. When we stop having needs, desires, and personal agendas, freedom begins. As long as there is capitalism and a need for success, the never ending cycle will spin. Coercion is part of being a leader in “The Free-world”. I live in one of the free modernized countries and I experience this almost everyday. The difference with our form of freedom is that we make our citizens believe that what they are forced to do = the right thing to do. It is a construct of the mind. Reframe a bad situation and the situation doesn’t look so bad. You might even eat off of it.

    Freedom is a feeling: Wilson Rosin said “When your mind is in peace, there, …, you’ll be free! ”

    That is it. Why do you think we go on vacation? To get away from our obligations, the constructs / perceptions of who we are to those around us and to ourselves.

    For those kids (you might be highschool or even elementary school kids for all i know) who are writing papers, you should disregard my post as your teachers are probably not that interested in many of the concepts on my posting. They probably don’t understand it that well themselves as this is just an assignment that they are supposed to give you. Nonetheless, you are obligated (free) to do your best.

  • oneoversoul

    freedom is…

    freedom is just that, escaping what we are controlled into believing, following,..buying, eating.. get it?

    leaving the b/s behind and just doing that…letting go.

    it’s not some big metaphysical philosophy of self awarnessless.
    it is aware, more so, completely AWARE of being.

    bill hicks used to end his shows like this:
    The world is like a ride in an amusement park and when you choose to go on it you think it’s real because that’s how powerful our minds are. And the ride goes up and down and around and around and it has thrills and chills and it’s very brightly coloured and it’s very loud. And it’s fun – for a while. Some people have been on the ride for a long time, and they begin to question; is this real? Or is this just a ride? And other people have remembered, and they come back to us, and they say, “Hey, don’t worry, don’t be afraid, ever, because… this is just a ride.”

  • http://myspace.com/moreinsorrow mike

    freedom is defined individually by our personal experiences…..and globally by our linguistic constructs and limited definitional boundaries.

    So, in short-

    Christ= true freedom
    religion= captivity
    political systems= captivity
    intellectualism= captivity

    If you want to talk more….and continue to search for Truth with me….message me at myspace.com/moreinsorrow

    Obviously, I haven’t “arrived” yet. But I’m not too ignorant and arrogant to admit it.

  • Maryana from Ukraine

    Freedom is not a state; it is a process. It is something you are, not something you have.

  • albert

    Maryana says it quite well, except; if freedom is not a state, then how can freedom be something that we are? I believe we are always in a state of “whatever”, so I’m thinking there might be some language gap. I do like the simplicity of her statement. But I believe that Freedom something that a person can have since Freedom can be taken away.

    I’m still on vacation and feeling quite “free”. I don’t really think much about my other life and just enjoy my surroundings. Not a care in the world except, I engaged myself in this discussion and feel obligated to respond. I find it fun, so it’s not oppressing. Anyway… I believe that anyone in North America can be free if they really wanted to be. Just ditch your family, work, church and whoever else you have obligations to. Go fishing and hunting for your food and camp in the wilderness. Self sufficiency sets a person free.

    Have a wonderful day!

  • kim steph

    im only 14 and i need help before 9/20/2007

  • http://myspace.com/moreinsorrow Signorelli

    Is freedom in its truest form/state/process…the absence of this physical body?
    If we are comprised of more than just flesh- then would real freedom occur when we are not bound to the necessities it requires?

    Right now, I am not free to stop breathing, eating, sleeping without repercussions. Even the effectiveness of my brain and ability to communicate are tied to this body…so then how can real freedom exist for me as long as ultimate control belongs to it?

  • albert

    Signorelli, you make a good point :D

    However, freedom is only something that we can, also, only experience within this body since it is a concept of our minds. I had the best massage 3 days ago and I feel free of backpain! One more day of vacation left so I’m gonna go back to it!!!

  • http://myspace.com/moreinsorrow Signorelli

    thanks for the feedback!

    Honestly, you are on the longest vacation ever! hahaha

    I think you are the most “free” of us all. lol

  • Feed The Meter

    My thougts of freedom is (being a liberal) that amout of freedom you have is in direct proportion with the amount of choises you have.

    this was stated above by hedar. i just wanted to point out briefly that in this statement he says ” the amount of freedom you HAVE is in direct proportion with the amount of choices you have.” in stating that the freedom we have is based on the amount of choices we have he stated that we all have freedom. He also said in that statement that it is based on the amount of choices we have. If we choose not to limit our choices then we have LIMITLESS freedom… based on the one statement made. So based on that comment, if we base this on a world where 13 colonies can come together and defy the largest and most dominating country in the world at that time, we have limitless freedom that is based on our choice to either have as much freedom as we want or as little as we need.

  • LukeO

    I put this question to any of you. Is it freedom to live under a goverment or not?

  • http://www.friendster.com/ nickela

    i liked all the opinions above and now i realized what freedom is. thanks to all.

  • Neli

    this is for those people who don’t think fully into the small little details…
    this in fact may not be true…but it may give us more clues on what freedom really is…

    What is real freedom???
    After watching a few movies I started asking myself this same question…
    Is freedom when you die thinking ‘ why do I live in this world full of hatred???’.
    Or is it dying while fighting for freedom???
    People fight for freedom….if they die in the midst of war while fighting for freedom…they will receive real freedom.
    People who die from not even daring or trying to….they will not receive freedom…like what they hope for.

  • albert

    Vacation is over now.

    Perhaps we must suffer some sort of oppression before we can understand the sweet taste of freedom?? There is no such thing as white if not for black, and ironically, they are both similar in that they represent the absence of color. So we can only define things as they contrast and compare with others.

    To the metre maid, liberal: I agree that choice is part of freedom. Isn’t it funny how its always those who say they fight for freedom who are always condemning others and trying to take away freedoms?

    With great freedom comes great responsibility, and so when you have the freedom to choose, one should not abuse it by infringing on the freedoms of others.

    A person does not have to fight for freedom. After traveling to a few different places, I realize that the people in poor countries are more free than North Americans, which leads me to say that freedom is a choice that can be made (albiet, it is irresponsible in some instances).

    That being said, if you feel free, then ideally, you would be happy, and if you are happy you wouldn’t care so much as to what other people are doing. Unfortunately for me, as I always say, I’m not free. I have to think about what my family and friends and colleagues are up to cuz what they do either directly or indirectly affects me. So, take heart and enjoy what freedoms you can afford to have.

    Thanks for sharing everyone. This may very well be my last post. This has been a great discussion and I have personally gained from this experience.

  • Luke O

    Well that’s the biggest choice of them all is it not? The choice to start a family and have friends to live a life where you have to look out for other people who you love thus choosing to give up your freedom for somthing that to you maybe a better existence than to be free. That also leads to another question, If we choose to truly free are we alone once that choice has been made if so is the price of freedom to high?

  • mariyam shabana

    well, all these comments and ideas helped me alot.
    cos, im doing an article on freedom for my philosophy assignment.
    thanks for all those nice ideas, it helped me a lot. ;)

  • mariyam shabana

    i think we all are free to do what ever we want,
    but, but, we have to first think about what we are doin.
    what are its advantages and diadvantages, what will be the out come of it. first we need to think!!! isn’t it right?

  • Sibaa

    I think freedom is the power to do something. But freedom cant be a definition. well it can but everyone has their own opinion on thingss. its the right to choose and the right to create for yourself; ur opinion!!! a person has their own priorities with reasons but there is ALWAYS rules!..but on other things it YOU.freedom is great!..hope u like thiss..

  • Luke O

    I agree with sibaa that it is our own opinion but what about people in prison? They’re not physically free but could they be free in they’re mind?

  • feed the meter

    People who are in prison were free. They made choices that lead them to where they are now. If you want to pick this very weak statement apart go ahead but there isnt enough time in this world to go over all the specific misfortunes of those who end up in prison. we all kno the system is flawed and there are people who are in prison that dont deserve to be, but still whatever the case may be- a man stealing a car had the choice not to. THat is freedom. a man who murders someone or robbed a bank, again had the choice not to. A man who was in an auto accident and was convicted of manslaughter for killing people in the accident had the choice to get in the car and drive when he did. Of course this is touchy and there is no way he could have known there would be an accident but the point is he had the choice. Anyone that says the government takes away our freedom is wrong. anything is possible depending on your means of making it happen. its the consequences everyone is worried about. that is not the definition of freedom. what happens after you make a choice is not freedom or lack thereof. it is the simple law that for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. IF i wanted to jump off the empire state building, i would plan ahead, save up some money and go do it. If i want to by a gun with a silencer and go to every house in a neighborhood and quietly shoot up a neighborhood, i can do that. The consequences for these two decisions are both obvious, but they are what hinder us from making dumb decisions like jumping off buildings and shooting people we dont know. It isnt freedom that constrains us, its the consequences of what we choose to do. You can do anything. The question is can you live with yourself once you choose it. freedom is choice. there are boundries and laws telling us all kinds of things. believe what you want. its your choice. thats your freedom. and once you decide what you believe, go out and act on it. its your life.. only you can decide what will be done with it.

  • Cheyenne

    I was simply skimming for some true meanings of freedom in people’s opinions so I could add some insight to my own opinion. Now I would like to share what I know so far with you.
    I really hope that you take the time to read all of this.
    Recently in my Goverment class at my high school we were discussing the 28 principles of freedom. Ever heard of them? If no please read The 5,000 Year Leap by Cleon Skousen. Brilliant book. I also recommend the Making of America.
    The 28 principles are condensed principles that this man found over time representing all the things that are necessary to make people free.
    The problem is that we keep wandering away from those principles. Principle number two states

    A free people cannot survive under a republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.

    Now yes I do understand that everyone has their different views of morals and virtues but I believe that we can all say that most of us have the same basic beliefs and can look at this the same if not fairly close to likeness.
    Isn’t it true that if people were virtuous and morally strong that we would not need to worry about having laws because everyone was perfect?
    Sadly we cannot have a world like this.
    There’s a quote that goes along with the latter said:

    If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be ncessary.

    This quote is from the Federalist Papers. No. 51.
    Unfortunately we can never have this, its simply a dream, but this dream is what the founding fathers hoped to accomplish though it seemed impossible.
    Freedom isn’t free, there’s always a price.

    Every advantage has its tax.

    This quote is by a famoust person. Emerson.
    You should be acquainted with him. If not I highly recommend looking him up and at least knowing the basics of what he stood for.
    Laws are going to always exist but you can be free without worrying about laws.
    Let’s refer back to the principle.
    It says that in order to be free we need virtues and morals.
    Do you agree?
    I highly do.
    If everyone was virtuous there probably wouldn’t have to be laws and even if there were I doubt anyone would break them.
    See where I’m coming from.
    Your definitions of freedom are rough and can be pulled out of any modern day dictionary.
    I don’t mean to sound terrible in saying that but you asked for an open discussion.
    Freedom isn’t simply being free from everything.
    Freedom is having those boundaries but not having to worry about crossing them.
    People who break the laws crossed those boundaries therefore taking away their own right to be free.
    Freedom is in fact a right.
    Freedom entitles us to many of our rights.
    I recommend another book called Freedom Factor that we read earlier this year by Gerald Lund.
    Excellent book.
    Talks about all the factors of freedom.
    But the main one is the Consititution.
    I would like you to consider all of this and I will leave off with a list of the 28 principles so you may look over them yourself and better understand freedom and two quotes. One by Jefferson, which I will likely butcher so you can understand the basic idea and quote that was discussed today in the class.
    Let’s start with the Jefferson quote. He uses the example of a kite.
    A kite is tied down by a string, so everyone would believe upon looking at it that the kite is not free correct?
    Wrong. The kite is free, but without the string the kite would not be capable of flying. Now put yourself in place of the kite and the laws in place of the string. Now lets look even further into it. Look at the string as the Constitution. Jefferson believes that in order for us to be free we must bind ourselves to the Constitution.
    Now for the quote discussed today. I need not butcher it because it is already very condensed.

    The freedom to do what you want and the responsibility to do it.

    If you would like to argue this out with me, discuss, or even get more information contact me at [email protected]. If you send me junk emails you will be marked as spam, just a word of warning.

    Here is a list of the 28 principles. I will leave it to you to further research them to understand their simple meanings.

    1. The only reliable basis for sound government and just human relations is Natural Law.

    2. A free people cannot survive under a republican constitution unless they remain virtuous and morally strong.

    3. The most promising method of securing a virtuous and morally stable people is to elect virtuous leaders.

    4. Without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained.

    5. All things were created by God therefore upon HIm all mankind are equally dependent, and to Him they are equally responsible.

    6. All men are created equal.

    7. The proper role of government is to protect equal rights, not equal things.

    8. Men are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights.

    9. To protect man’s rights, God has revealed certain principles of divine law.

    10. The God-given right to govern is vested in the sovereign authority of the whole people.

    11. The majority of the people may alter or abolish a government which has become tyrannical.

    12. The United States of American shall be a republic.

    13. A constitution should be structured to permanently protect the people from the human frailties of their rulers.

    14. Life and Liberty are secure only so long as the right to property is secure.

    15. The highest level of prosperity occurs when there is a free-market economy and a minimum of government regulations.

    16. The government should be seperated into three branches–legislative, executive, and judicial.

    17. A system of checks and balances should be adopted to prevent the abuse of power.

    18. The unalienable rights of the people are most likely to be preserved if the principles of government are set forth in a written constitution.

    19. Only limited and carefully defined powers should be delegated to government, all others being retained by the people.

    20. Efficiency and dispatch require government to operate according to the will of the majority, but constitutional provisions must be made to protect the rights of the minority.

    21. Strong local self-government is the keystone to preserving human freedom.

    22. A free people should be governed by law and not by the whims of men.

    23. A free society cannot survive as a republic without a broad program of general education.

    24. A free people will not survive unless they stay strong.

    25. “Peace, commerce, and honest friendship with all nations–entangling alliances with none.”

    26. The core unit which determines the strenght of any society is the family; therefore, the government should foster and protect its integrity.

    27. The burden of debt is as destructive to freedom as subjugation by conquest.

    28. The United States has a manifest destiny to be an example and a blessing to the entire human race.

  • Neli

    to be truthfull i think that every one is free in some way or another. because technically, we all have our own space and within that space we can roam around. which means we are free.
    ever since we were born we were free…and we still are

  • Luke O

    But in todays world our freedoms are slowy being killed day by day. In todays world money dictates our freedom it is as simple as that. Every action we make is being watched and most of the good things that we all enjoy which is a wide range because we are all different are taxed or in some harsh cases ever made illegal so yes maybe we can be free but can we enjoy it without giving somthing else up?

  • Farnaz

    freedom requires thinking and taking responsibility . freedom means owning up to your mistake, it means planing for sickness and choosing how to educate your children , it means saving for retirment though we cannot have unlimited freedom.

  • http://hotmail Darrien Kumar

    all of these comments are wonderful advice and i am sure people think so to

  • BobDS

    Thanks for the thoughts, I needed some kind of contrast between different people’s thoughts on freedom. Out of the chaos that can be a discussion i can draw my own conclusions thanks to you people…

  • John

    Hi all it is really interesting to see minds boggle up on this sensitive issue on freedom. mine is simple,always limit your freedom from the freedom of others.How? you might ask especially that you do not know exactly what freedom is.To me freedom is the thought and/or realisation of what you feel when you are about to grasp/or you’ve grasped the advantage of something you ‘ve never had before, and when you do do not trample on others.

  • dave

    Just a couple of thoughts,
    You claim that nothing, or nobody, can be truly free until they free themselfs from the bounderies of matter, time and so on.
    Lets discuss

    If someone suddenly freed themselfs from this entrapment and became truley free it would be pretty hard for them to exist. Due to matter, time and space is the definition of existing things.

    Modern physics claims that electrons never relly exists until you look at them, thus entraping them. Which makes us conclude that if a person doesnt exist and you suddenly look at him, he is entraped.

    So you can exist without being trapt, im sorry

    In conclusion: nobody can be relly free.

    regards
    /David

  • John

    Jimi this is exactly what i mean, your quote, “If someone suddenly freed themselfs from this entrapment and became truley free it would be pretty hard for them to exist. Due to matter, time and space is the definition of existing things.”That is why if you do not see people that they exist they will want you notice they are there and in order for some of them to be noticed they abuse their freedom of being. You tellme honestly whocan exist without being traped? Cos that same cacoon they are in is entrapnment.Modern physics claim,so do people. Its like money in your wallet its traped,but it knows it can get something of its value and it is hard for it to exist when you remove it from your wallet. Lets not confuse science to common sense

  • kaho

    thats good and cool

  • Nooki

    The scientific perspective can be used when looking at freedom from every other perspective. Everything is relative to its observer (my post about 1984 for example). Freedom for you and me isn´t the same.
    People in a perfect socialist society are free because they are not bound by laws of market economy.
    Liberals are free because they can make their own choices regarding which things to buy and so on.
    But would a liberal say that socialists are free?
    This can be discussed indefinitly but we won´t find an answer.

    Total freedom can only be achived when you are´t bound by anything. But, as my post explains, it makes it impossible to exist :(

    regards
    /David

  • JEET

    FREEDOM HAS DIFFERENT MEENING, EACH PERSON HAVE DIFFERENT MEANING OF FREEDOM,

    I) A PRESNOR – WHEN HE WILL RELISE FROM JAIL THAT WILL BE FREEDOM FOR HIM.
    II) A SOLDURE – WHEN THERE WILL BE KNOW WAR, ALL WILL LIVE PEACE FULL LIFE THAT WILL BE THE FREEDOM FORM HIM.
    III) WHEN A BIRT WILL BE NO MORE IN CAGE – THAT WILL BE FREEDOM FOR HIM.
    IV) WHEN A PERSON HAVE RITE TO GO ANYWEAR IN THE WORLD THAT WILL BE THE FREEDOM.
    V) WHEN THERE WILL BE NO ANIMITY AMONGS PEOPLE, RELIGION, CASTISM AND EVERY BODY WILL LIVE PEACE FULLY THAT WILL BE THE FREEDOM.
    VI) WHEN A WOMAN CAN WALK ALONE ANY WHERE AT ANY TIME WITHOUT FEAR THAT WILL BE THE FREEDOM FOR HER.
    VII) A SAGE — WHO IS WANDERING FROM PLACE TO PLACE FOR SEARCH OF SALVATION, WHEN HE GET’S IT THAT IS THE FREEDOM FOR HIM.

    *** FREEDOM DOSEN’T MEAN TO DO ANY THING, FREEDOM IS A PHINOMINA THAT IS PRATICED BY ALL BUT IT HAS SOME SOCIAL OR SELFAWARNESS BOUNDRIES.

    ***EVEY BODY HAVE RIGHT TO BE FREE, BUT THERE ARE SOME RULES, BUT THESE RULES ARE RARELY PRATICED BY PEOPLE.

    **IT’S SIMPLE *****THINK GOOD AND DO GOOD………………………………………………………………!

  • Luke O

    (In response to nookies post)

    If total freedom can only be achived when you are´t bound by anything then could that be interpreted as freedom can only be found in death?

  • albert

    This thread has intrigued and inspired me and i haven’t responded in a while, but it has also kept me entertained. I realize Luke is responding to nookie, but I can’t help (i’m a slave to my curiosity) but to respond in saying that “Luke, you are free to interpret freedom however you like.” A wise man once said something to the effect of: while you plan your next goal in life… life is happening. I don’t know who said it, but I thought I’d share it. If someone knows who said it, or what the original quote is, please feel “free” or “mentally bound” to share it with me / us.

    Have a great day one and all.

  • Nooki

    In response to Luke,

    That is true for total freedom, but only if our hypothesis excludes any form of “life after death”.
    I guess my view of freedom is how many bounderis you have overcome.. (which is kinda close to sciencetology :S)
    This doesn´t mean that overcoming bounderies is something to struggle for.
    Existans, for examle, is a good thing…
    regards
    /David

  • Luke O

    This may seem a little stupid but is that ment to say existance?

  • Nooki

    Hehe, I did, sorry about that.
    “Existance, for examle, is a good thing…”

    Guess i have to study english even harder now :/

  • Luke O

    It’s alrigt ) Existence is another type pf control though?

  • Nooki

    Sadly. existence becomes a sort of boundary because of the laws of physics..
    But such a discussion becomes rather in relevant. We must presume that everyone wants to be part of the world. We cant never achive freedom from everything because that would make us nothing and we wouldn´t have any use of it.
    Hmm, but must freedom be something to strive for?

    regards
    /David

  • Luke O

    I think that we all start off striving for freedom but some of us lose the passion for it along the way and just say to our selfs “I can’t go any futher”. I also think that as children we have all these dreams of what we want to be when we grow up but when we do grow up we realise that the world is to cold and greedy for those dreams to come true, I mean things like taxs, insurance and bills so maybe in a way through the ages we have stopped our selfs from becoming free and have given into our darker impulses like greed, vanity and prejudice.

  • danielle

    Freedom…
    Freedom is a big word.
    and to think 7 words can mean the way u control ur life and how….
    amazing.
    Freedom, is the reposibility of your own actions and most impotantily its its having the will to control your own life and the harsh decisons along with it.
    Freedom means alot to some people….it’s basicly saying u can fly.
    and i know every person in this unvierse wants to fly….
    I know this doesn’t sound very intelgent im only 13…

  • Luke O

    Intelligent or not it does make sense but one could say that to get rid of our responsibility is to gain our freedom.

  • http://www.factoryfast.com.au birthday gifts

    Perhaps freedom truly comes when you’re content. Even if you could fly and do what you want, you still wouldn’t be truly free. You’d be physically free, but you would still have to carry the burden of your own fallen nature and all that guilt along with you. Once the guilt is taken away, you become content with your situation and who you are. Not only that, but when you don’t do the things you used to do that hurt others – THEN you’re free. Is THIS not true freedom? The fact that you can’t fly doesn’t bug you, is true freedom. I still don’t think you’ve explained TRUE freedom accurately. True freedom is inside you, not outside you. It’s not subjective or objective, it’s just intrinsically TRUE.

  • Hamidah

    Hi everyone I havent read the comments but i might.

    My interpertation of freedomis being free from things which control us wether its something within us or the outside world something in ourselves would be for example having an addiction where food controls us so we dont have freedom from that addiction.
    Or if people are causing us harm then we dont have freedom from them.
    Free is also not being traped, not being owned by anyone but belonging to ourselves.
    Also emotional freedom being free from anoying thoughts or mental illness.

    Its to have control over something and to not be controled by it. to be able to say no to ourselves and to others.

    :)

  • Luke O

    You say that that freedomto is to have control over something and to not be controled by it? What about things like nature?

  • http://myspace.com/moreinsorrow Signorelli

    I figured it out- freedom is tag-less white T’s and pop-tarts without frosting.

    that’s it. argument over.

  • jose

    to be human is to give definition to objects and thought that have no meaning. freedom is only a byproduct of our nature to give definition

  • http://myspace.com/moreinsorrow Signorelli

    not true.

    We cannot always manipulate the physical properties of an object by simply changing our perception of it.
    Some things exist, and will continue to exist, whether we define them or not; freedom being one of those things.

  • Paul

    The way I see things, technically, nobody can be 100% free. If it was possible to be 100% free we would be living in complete chaos. But I believe you can definitley be free in spirit (not trying to sound like a hippie) what I mean is, you can be free of woe, guilt, pressures of daily life and similar everyday problems. It may seem a bit un-fitting for what I’m trying to describe, but what comes to mind for this is “Ignorance is Bliss” and while you don’t have to be ignorant to be happy, I think you really do have to be very optimistic. try it!

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    I just noticed that you’ve actually complicated the meaning of freedom. Freedom is actually relative. It is subject to a person’s point of view. If for instance freedom for me is to be able to do what I think is right then that will just be it. My neighbor may say that freedom for him is being able to do what he thinks is right for him and at the same time right for other people.

    There was even one time when a friend of mine told me that he can only be free if he’s allowed to do anything under the sun, anywhere, any time. That, however, is absurd.

    Freedom therefore is when anyone is allowed to do what’s right and for the common good without any limitations.

  • george

    freedom is how will the people exist…

  • shela

    Hey ya, i was just doin my hwk on “FREEDOM” whn i found this site. so i just want to say THANX
    you guys helped me alot, but here is what i have to say after reading wht other ppl have to say bout “FREEDOM”

    well, relly freedom is wht u think it is n nt wht others tell u b/c everbody have their own veiw point to it.

  • Luke O

    Good point but could there be a universal freedom for humanity?

  • Allison

    i know that everyone has their own opinion about what freedom is, but thats the beauty of it– being able to form that opinion for yourself IS freedom! To be able to make your own decisions, and form your own opinions without being told what to think is freedom. Freedom is not being able to do whatever you want. People say we’re not really free because of so many laws, but the laws are in place for the common good. If freedom were the ability to do whatever the heck you wanted, murder, stealing, etc. would be encouraged. As long as you can form opinions for yourself, and think for yourself, you are free.

  • pure death angel

    lol thats my opinoin :sweat:

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  • Karen

    I believe freedom is both a physical and mental belief. Some people believe that we do have mental freedom; that no external force is limiting us by what our opinion should be about in this topic nor any other. I however disagree with that because religion is an external force that control our state of minds. A devout catholic won’t steal because the first thing that will come to mind is, “I’m going to burn in hell!” An Atheist would most likely not give a damn because he/she has no one greater than them to fear. Physically, well freedom doesnot exist because we all have limits in what we are allowed to do and not to do; there will always be an external force limiting us from our actions. =) Thanks for reading!

  • David Hobday

    The simplest freedom is freedom to want and to not want.
    If you take that as freedom then everyone is free, even if they do not want to be. They are free to not want to be free.
    In other words, to be able to think is to be free.
    However, when an issue enters a person’s mind, there are some people who do not want to think and other people who have not learnt to think. Instead of thinking, they find a book, ask others or just follow a leader like sheep. They then act if they must or ignore the issue if they can. These people have freely forfeited their freedom or never thought they had freedom to forfeit.

    God loves such people.
    Wolves prefer free thinking sheep because they are easier to separate from the fold.

    Only good thinkers should think and accept their freedom.

  • pretxt

    i think freedom is not an illusion and it do exist in our personal life……
    maybe you will ask me why? it is because the fact that we have a freedom to choose to follow what is there. for example a rules and regulation in our country or whereever we are it still depend to us if we follow. it is a matter of chosing. we are free that is realilty.

  • Cassie

    Ok, so you can not exist if you are tottaolly and utterly free? That’s, well, that’s true, but would you really want to be that free? Truthfully, would you wan’t to be free of everything?

  • Belle

    Hey, I didn’t read through all of these but some comments went along the lines of we can’t really be free because there are always rules so on so forth. Well i suppose you could look at it like this..SOME rules allow us to feel/be free. The Universal declaration of Human rights..they are all laws/rules but they are there to shape us freedoms. It sort of like you can’t know freedom without knowing constraints, you need both for one to work. What is freedom though anyway? I think that everyone has a slightly different view on what their freedom is. A painter is free with their canvas so on so forth. Freedom is an individuel thing, although we all generally have the same idea. This is just my opinion…don’t think I explained it amazingly but oh well.

  • Luke O

    Good Point :)

  • albert

    Karen said on February 14, 2008 at 1:44 am
    …. I however disagree with that because religion is an external force that control our state of minds. A devout catholic won’t steal because the first thing that will come to mind is, “I’m going to burn in hell!” An Atheist would most likely not give a damn because he/she has no one greater than them to fear.

    Since you specifically talk about Catholics and Athiests: You are right that an athiest (or anyone who is able to free-think) does think for themselves and does not bow down to a religious figure and therefore when they CHOOSE not to steal, it is a higher power, since they are not simply OBEYING what they were taught, but instead, understand why it is taught. OBEDIENCE is for simple animals. ANARCHY is for the weak and careless. Complete and total freedom will only exist in individual moments in our lives as we are all bound to something external.

    Karen said on February 14, 2008 at 1:44 am …… there will always be an external force limiting us from our actions.

    Indeed. For example, let’s not use Jesus, Mary, God, Buddha, Allah, or any other known religious deity… instead here are some limiting forces most of us can agree on: Mom, Dad, Wife, Friends, Responsibility to Kids, Responsibility to your School, Job, Club, or anything social. We don’t need to restate the fact that human beings are not able to fly under their own power in their natural form. Instead we should recognize that we are bound by the precepts of our societies and how we perceive ourselves. As well, we can always mask our insecurities with FREEDOM because we have the freedom to say that “We don’t feel like it” when in fact in our heart we do, but because we are afraid to do it in the preceps of our mind, we cannot and this is completely natural.

    Freedom- Have a peace of it, today!

  • albert

    BTW: Freedom today is taken for granted as it is so abundant. For example: Women, the Minorities, and the Gays…. The world more or less accepts everyone, even the Catholics!

    So: Kids, stay in school…. listen to your teachers, but learn to think for yourself. Listening is not just memorization or obedience. Criticize and question with objectivity and not for the sake of criticism and questioning. Otherwise you become a “no good”, a hater and a critic. Don’t forget to take care of your parents and old people. They have all paid the price for your freedom.

  • jose

    Signorelli said on December 3, 2007 at 2:00 pm
    not true.

    We cannot always manipulate the physical properties of an object by simply changing our perception of it.
    Some things exist, and will continue to exist, whether we define them or not; freedom being one of those things.

    To reiterate on what i said a few months ago,(since ive learned that to make a statement definative is to call the arrows of resentment upon ones self)yes you do have a point but thats more for definite objects in my belief. Freedom is more a way of expression that a physical state. Look in the form of art people can change their perseption of it as the times changes. same can be said for freedom once it was just a means of differance between slaves and people who owned them. freedom to them at the time was to escape enslavement. fastforward centuries later freedom ment for the ordinary pesant that was tied down to his land was to be able to leave and buid his or her own home for him or her self and his or her’s own family. now in modern times i can be seen in some cultures that people leave their tyrannical dictatorship styles of country or even as simple as leaving their authoritarian parents so they will get off their backs.

  • jose

    albert said on April 22, 2008 at 3:46 pm
    Karen said on February 14, 2008 at 1:44 am
    …. I however disagree with that because religion is an external force that control our state of minds. A devout catholic won’t steal because the first thing that will come to mind is, “I’m going to burn in hell!” An Atheist would most likely not give a damn because he/she has no one greater than them to fear.

    Since you specifically talk about Catholics and Athiests: You are right thatan athiest (or anyone who is able to free-think) does think for themselves and does not bow down to a religious figure and therefore when they CHOOSE not to steal, it is a higher power, since they are not simply OBEYING what they were taught, but instead, understand why it is taught. OBEDIENCE is for simple animals. ANARCHY is for the weak and careless. Complete and total freedom will only exist in individual moments in our lives as we are all bound to something external.

    Then you can safely say that Humans in general are simpler animals ill tell you what i mean when you reply
    On hand of anarchy can you truely say that you are a specialist of anarchy i surely am not though i can truely say with out practicing the form of government one cannot justifiably say that it is for the weak and the careless.

  • jose

    (sorry for the misspellings in advance)
    To truely give a meaning to freedom is complete disregard of all limitation. in theory this cannot be true for the simple fact as humans we have ceirtan limitations that can obviously not be surpased with our current level of technology.

    But when we as humans created freedom we created its antithesus

    thats is security.

    with security we can limit to an extent uncontrolled freedom that is potentally harmfull to society. As we go through different cultures and societys in our past and present we can see variations of this statement.
    Babylon for example had hammurrabis Code, Eye for Eye, Tooth for tooth.
    in the middle east if you are caught stealling your right hand gets removed. in japan most of the time when you commit a crime your family and freinds literaly ostrizies you from their presence. In America Criminals are put brands Known better as Criminal history which could prevent people who are trying to change their ways to get decent jobs.

    Though now im losing the aspect of the subject and leaving my self for a critisim that i did not address that i plainly saw. their are people in this world who do not regard the aspect of secruity. usually it is a mental problem, a religous practice or a spur of the moment(there could be more)
    that results in this mind set

    Freedom VS security complex is some thing that we all have come to terms with do you all agree people of this board

    thats why it will be always addressed with contriversy just like abortion,homosexual tolerance,religous tolerance, gender/racial/age/bodytype/ability of intelligence tolerance and many others so ill conclude with this for now and reply later

  • albert

    Anarchy as i would define is a state of disregard for all including oneself. I will judge anarchy with total absolution and my mind is closed off to any negotiation on this matter as I do not believe anarchy breeds a positive result for any of the participants except that they might learn why they should not participate in anarchy…. well, i guess i have spun myself into a loop already. You have to live some to know some. I just hope that people who are involved in anarchy will realize what it is and move out of that phase sooner than later. It’s powerful in that we can all be vulnerable, but since we are all human and we are all vulnerable, we should not be using this force. Much the same as war. Since we all can die, let’s not do it and let each other live. Please don’t get me wrong from my previous post… I am not opposed to religion. I am opposed to religious types that will hold their religious beliefs above others. I think everyone on this board is great for seeking out this understanding and contributing to the learning of other ppl.

  • kryxz

    ang2x uy ang freedom ang kanang estado nga makabuhat ka sa imong mga gus2 na walay mu babag kanimo,.. dapat kita kontento sa kung unsa man ang naa ka aron dle maglabad imong kunot!! lol
    (philippine dialect = bisaya)

    that means, you must be contented with whatever you have in order for u to be free,… freedom is a choice,.. thats it hehehe

  • Socrates in New York

    True freedom is: choosing the good.
    The role of our intellect is to know the good and posses the truth.
    The role of the human will is to choose the good.
    If we choose otherwise, we become slaves to mediocrity…we become slaves to the human tendency to oppression and selfishness.

  • Socrates in New York

    True freedom is: choosing the good.
    The role of our intellect is to know the good and posses it.
    Once the good is known, the human will has to direct the heart to choose the good.

    If we choose otherwise, we become slaves to mediocrity…we become slaves to the human tendency of oppression and selfishness. As we all know, slaves aren’t free. To be free, we have to rise above the real human tendencies to corruption, egoism, and oppression to others.

  • abderrahim

    to my mind,freedom generally is to do what we want ,but to respect our obligations and people.that is to say that freedom has limits

  • abderrahim

    hi, if every one think that freedom hasn’t limits,certainly he wrong.because without limits our society would be mess

  • abderrahim ezraidi

    every yhing has limits and freedom is one of tis thing

  • kp

    Freedom is choice.

  • Kuldeep Katyayn

    Hi
    Freedom mean does not the irresponsibility ,Freedom mean responsible.much we become responsible much we become free ,have .Freedom which is given by some body else is not the real freedom ,because u have to given it by some body else ,here i m taliking about the freedom which comes from your being .Man is always trying to free from the things ,it is not creative .It shows the negative aspect of the freedom.Freedom is always from the past and always for the future .
    We Have to free from our the social bondage ,from all those stupid things which is imposed on us by this society ,thst is important.Fredom means something creative

  • yhanna

    please help me because i have a project about freedom,it was a debate about freedom, i want a answer that contrary to freedom, please help me.^^

  • Suraj Naik

    Hi all of u,
    I went through your debate…. so many new definitions of freedom…. What do u say about hte freedom which our country India gain in 15th Aug. 1947 from british. What do you call this incidence……
    Please it will be a good help for me if u put ur views coz it will help me to prepare for a speech on that day in our school

  • Mayuresh Haridas

    Freedom is live..and let live…
    Freedom is just like selecting a favourite chocolate of our own choice…
    Freedom is making happy to others…

  • SB

    True freedom is found in Christ. Read Galatians 5:1-18, read it!

  • dhaze

    thank you for the opinions, suggestion and also for the definitions of freedom…thank you.,really need it for the school reporting..=)

  • Luke O

    SB do you mean “But if you are led by the spirit, you are not under the law”?

  • gabbz

    Like you said no one notices that we are trapped by time and space, so who cares?

    Gabbz

  • http://jimwestergren Shane M Rivera

    what is freedom you tell me freedom is to fave it to an extent you cant have freedom with out someone saying who how what when were why if you have a comment then comment to my comment

  • Dicia Cuneo

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  • Ubiquity

    Freedom is property rights.

  • T-rav

    No one knows what freedom truly is. Freedom is the same as up or down. It is an idea that we (the human race) has put a label on. We dont even know if up is up and down is down. I’m not going to get real philosophical about this, but honestly EVERYTHING is just an idea. Relgion, for example, is only an idea that people believe in. So, there is no one true answer to the question “What is freedom?” because freedom is whatever any person wants to believe it is.

  • Kaitland

    While contemplating what freedom means in relation to choice, the question arises, as a person who has to be a member of society, isnt it only rational that as part of a free society we are still bound by choices that help define us as part of that society?

    What complicates freedom? Are we really free to choose?

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  • Sarah

    Freedom does not mean you can do whatever you wish.
    On one level freedom is the absence of physical restraint. You cut the string off a balloon and it is free to fly where it wished. You take the leash off a dog and it is free to roam and follow its impulses.

    If motives, could never go above self interest, you could never be psychologically free. You would always be compelled to act in fear of being punished or with the hope of reward. If you were always acting on instinct you would be captive to threats and promises.
    Freedom is not abandoning institutions such as education and government, or even the binds of flesh, time and space. But rather it is these things that discipline and enhance our freedom because it allows us to be able to resist outside pressures (whatever those might be, emotional, psychological, or physical), and make the choice that you have reasoned to be founded in truth and goodness.
    It is true what every one else has been saying, choices are important. If choices were arbitrary, freedom would be useless.
    In being free one makes a choice between good and bad, right and wrong. They have the choice to pick the wrong, but in choosing to pick the good, they are indeed enhancing and finding their true freedom.

    Freedom is not an end within itself, but rather a means to find what is truly good. It is destroyed when it tries to fight against what is true and good. But when it stands up for what is right in the face of pressures and attack, freedom discovers itself in a bold way.

  • Anybody killa

    this shit is to long, somebody needs to get a life

  • Jenny

    This website is awesome. on my national exam im going to hold a speach about freedom. I didnt know where to begin. now its much more easier.

    To the point. I think all of the thoughts about freedom is really good. Every single thought is right in some way because in the end all of them will be brought together. no matter what.

    I live in Sweden. though i have been in the US many times. and Im sorry to say that we HAVE more freedom than you in the US have. I think, if you will discuss this matter further, you will have to visit sweden so you can compare. ( with this i want to say, stop comparing until you know what youre really comapring it with)

  • Guess who

    There are many elements that make up the definition of freedom, but I believe in our society today freedom is to have opportunity of rights – to share your thoughts and to live comfortably. Some people live more comfortably than others, though many people’s definition of comfort in the way they live would vary. At the end of the day, there are many levels of freedom, and it all comes down to 1. The country that we live in and the rights that our government offer its citizens 2. the way we choose to support ourselves as individuals. If we are given rights, then our freedom becomes stronger, though our existence in a world with restrictions all around prevents us from having ultimate freedom.

  • http://- ..Me…

    iam thai people n i think freedom s everything we can did …
    without law… that’s all…i think

  • Ghayas Ahmed

    Different philosophers create different critiques; I am not a Philosopher but in my point of view about Freedom is:
    Freedom does not mean you can do whatever you want; we are all bound from our society restrictions. Due to these restrictions we can automatically move towards the flow of our society. There is no personal willing …
    May be all of you not agreed on this..
    ~Ghayas

  • albert

    what is freedom worth?

    since people in different countries will value money differently, let’s not put a financial value. what would you sacrifice for freedom? Your hair? One or both eyes? Pinky finger? Taste buds? Good looking face? Ability to sing?

    If freedom was taken from you, is it worth fighting for to achieve? what would you give to get it back?

  • Isaac Leaver

    No1 can truly be fre

    Freedom is an idea. a thought. a myth

    Nowun will ever be free

    You say a man is free from jail
    and he thinks his is free.
    Pay his taxes. act normal. follow fashion. send your kids to school. walk on the pavement. save for your old age.

    Thats not freedom

    Hey im a pessismist – sue me (:

  • Corrin

    Freedom has no definition, it is thought to be an idea where someone is at liberty to do whatever they wish, whenever and however they want. However, the influences (eg. advertisement, literature, images, actions of others, availability of technology) that impact every single human being are different, ‘wants’ are something dictated by these influences. Therefore there is no general concept of ‘Freedom’. The concept in reality is non existent, their are always exceptions and restrictions to the idea. Laws, are part of the system in control of our actions, it is only our thought of freedom being restricted that prevents us from acting against laws. The Freedom to do anything is impossible for everyone, as the wants of someone will only conflict with the freedoms of another (eg. If one person wanted to kill some else, they could not complete their own freedom without first conflicting with the freedom of that persons right to live.) Therefore, freedom is an idea constructed by the human mind to be able to have no limitations. In reality the idea can never exist.

  • Robert

    In order to experience true freedom, you must engage yourself totally. It does not matter where you live,it matters how you think. Freedom comes from within, not from what the government grants you. The only true freedom is inside your thoughts, it is the only thing that cant be controlled.

  • lenda bautista

    you all have a good thought about freedom. but we have our own beliefs in life. we are free from all. to try these and those, and it is our power,to believe what we wanted to believe, but being free is as good as being open-minded. you should be physically, mentally and socially active to the reality of our life. use it in proper way., that is being free.

    -murie a.

  • PAULINE

    For me freedom is doing what you want to do as long as nobody is hurt! :D

  • NEGRO

    FREEDOM IS IS HAVING TO SMOKE ALL THA MARIJUANA YOU WANT SO FUK THA WORLD

  • Jose

    NEGRO
    said on July 27, 2009 at 1:36 am

    FREEDOM IS IS HAVING TO SMOKE ALL THA MARIJUANA YOU WANT SO FUK THA WORLD

    xD there are places were you can preform that sort of freedom some legally and others illegaly. its been a year or so since my last post and looking back on it is a bit nostalgic i dont have any changes so to say about what I thought at the time but i do now know that i would never want to have true and complete freedom

  • Andy pants

    I think you need to ask a more specific question;
    most people here would agree, we are not free. I cannot do whatever i like, when i like, where i like, from rules ect.
    so i do not have physical freedom.

    But rather asking ‘Do i have freedom’
    I would rather ask ‘Do i have enough freedom?’

    Also of course, its from your perspective;
    You see someone in a cage, you assume they are less free than you.
    But imagine if everything they needed was in that cage. (Hypothetically)
    What if you even had the key to your own cage, but instead you locked yourself, and your freedom in.

    Just a thought.

  • dave (uk)

    Freedom, we are but already free. there are simple rules to follow:
    1, live poor
    2, raise your children
    3, love your partner
    4, stay away from t.v and the world, look after community
    5, most of all look after your soul
    for it is only love that wins true freedom…….!(i hope you all find your own answers)

  • Ashok Thakur

    I Think Rafael’s Comments about Freedom are the closest to truth , We all are free , if we but choose to acknowledge it.

    Great Thoughts Mr. Rafael.

    And this site is a great platform to share our philosophy about life,great work Mr. Jimwestergren.

  • Ashok Thakur

    Well Mr. Jim I have read almost all the articles by the different people and came to the conclusion Please suggest if I am Right or wrong:—–

    Freedom is a mental condition-a condition of the spirit. All of us are free, if we but choose to acknowledge it.

    Freedom is your ability to carryout decisions(either good or bad).Freedom is not a static value. If you make good (wise) decisions you are awarded with more freedom. If you make bad (destructive) decisions, freedom is taken away.

    In conclusion, I believe that doing what is right increases freedom.

  • Albert

    Ashok Thakur,

    As government and religion decide which is right and wrong, does this really mean we are free? Since our decisions are essentially controlled by those that rule our freedoms?

  • Ashok Thakur

    Mr. Albert ,

    Well Mr. Albert religion and govt. are obstacles i confess , but then in today’s modern world I think religion is not a reaL challenge , yes govt. policies I Agree but then we can fight our way out of them as we had seen USA’s people find some way or other to acheive their bread and butter , I Think we are not talking abt freedom , we are talking abt real freedom , freedom from our negetive thoughts .If we can’t stop birds from flying over our head , surely we can stop them from making nest on our head.

  • Albert

    Ashok Thakur,

    Thanks for your reply. Unfortunately I’m not that well educated and your concepts may be out of my reach at this time. You talk about fighting the govt for bread and butter and I’m lost…. sorry. When is real freedom defined to be free from our negative thought? Could positive exist without negative? It is the existence of one that provides the contrast for the other. When you talk about birds making nests on our head, I feel this is far too simplistic/unrealistic of an analogy as freedoms of speech is being challenged in many countries throughout the world. If one country can censor / filter the content that their citizens are able to gain access to, or murder those with dissident voices, then it can be done in any country. A pet owner / parent will understand that freedoms are allowances… and to quote your previous post:

    If you make good (wise) decisions you are awarded with more freedom. If you make bad (destructive) decisions, freedom is taken away.

    Ashok & anyone who cares to respond: We all answer to someone/something, so are we really free? If so, to what extent?

  • Ashok Thakur

    Thanks Mr. Albert,

    Well Mr. Albert first of all thank you for your reply,I am greatful for having a debate with such a knowledgeable person.May

    be Mr. Albert you are right on your part , but then every person has his own views , own way to be free as I have mentioned

    earlier in my above qoute

    “Freedom is a mental condition-a condition of the spirit. All of us are free, if we but choose to acknowledge it.”

    I respect your views but I think nobody can snare one’s freedom. Govt. , religion can be instantenious obstacles , but can be

    overcomed if one is determined to do so.

    Now let me clear one by one:

    1. Religion:—We in India have a very famous actor Shahrukh Khan a muslim by caste , he was born to a very ordinary family

    and he fall in love with a Sikh girl Gauri.He loved her very much and want to marry her , but sikhs as well Islamics are very

    strict against marrying out of their caste.But what happen Shahrukh khan break all shackles and he went against the religion

    so did the girl , now he don’t forced his wife to come to mosque , or temple or gurudwara .Now what do u conclude ?What i

    conclude is that Shahrukh Khan was a free person,He had complete freedom , and he respects others freedom by not compelling

    his spouse or children to abide by any religion,they are free to do wat they want.Now I want to co-relate this with negative

    thinking as you were pinpointing it. Had that person sat on one corner putting his hands on his head and thought ahhhhhh I am

    born to such a strict religion which gives no freedom , what the hell is this ? But no ! he had the guts to be free so he

    achieved it anyhow.No religion can take away somebody’s freedom and if it then I think religious threads should be broken.

    2.Government:—Now as we saw the whole world is going through a recession period and every country’s govt. is suffering to

    provide essential money , jobs to every citizen so that they can live freely.but despite its best efforts it has not been

    able to do so . So I have switched off my AC and using ceeling fans only so that I can pay electricity bills I went to bars

    and discows weekend now I have found some cheaper way to entertain me .Companies has reduced our salary in this slump , so

    should I curse Govt. Policies that they have forced me to live a miserly life ? Yes I can curse for some time but at the end

    of the day I got to make , invent my own ways to be free , to achive freedom.

    You have mentioned :

    “You talk about fighting the govt for bread and butter and I?m lost?. sorry.”
    What was my point in “fighting the govt.” is that why should I wait govt. to eliminate recession and then again I will regain

    my freedom . I am free I have freedom , If I think Indian Govt. is not doing enough to salvage my freedom I will move to Usa

    or Canada or some other country ,I am free , do u think Indian govt. will stop me from doing that , No ! I have the aothority

    .

    Conclusion :–Mr. Albert If Abraham Lincoln has to Become Presindent of USA neither Financial problem nor situations stopped

    him , what could have stopped him is Himself Abraham Lincoln.

    I agree nobody in this world has total freedom , but then we ourself has to decide to what extend do we want to be free.

  • Albert

    Ashok Thakur,

    I really appreciate the time and effort you are putting into this discussion as with every entry, I would suspect we understand more about what freedom is and what it means to people.

    Perhaps it is a matter of translation, however I don’t consider this exchange a debate but more as an exchange of ideas.

    1. Religion:?We in India have a very famous actor Shahrukh Khan a muslim by caste , he was born to a very ordinary family

    and he fall in love with a Sikh girl Gauri.He loved her very much and want to marry her , but sikhs as well Islamics are very

    strict against marrying out of their caste.But what happen Shahrukh khan break all shackles and he went against the religion

    so did the girl , now he don?t forced his wife to come to mosque , or temple or gurudwara .Now what do u conclude ?

    Your examples of freedom are fair and good at identifying India as a country that has multiple religions, but also reveals that those within religions still hold traditional values that frown upon cross-religious marriages.

    In North America, these boundaries have long been removed as inter-racial & cross-religious marriages are quite often met with congratulations. (I might also be so bold to say that even in the Sikh & Muslim cultures, their families that have immigrated realize that it is North American culture to allow their children to do as they please.) The newest frontier now being Gay/Lesbian marriages will likely become accepted in fewer years than it took to end slavery and allow women to vote.

    These examples are stated not to compare or brag, but to demonstrate that freedoms are often granted by governments, which are (in a democracy) often guided by religion via the popular vote of the people, who often have religious (by choice but nonetheless influential) beliefs.

    Your passionate perspective is encouraging and I enjoy reading a strong opinion such as yours.

    What was my point in ?fighting the govt.? is that why should I wait govt. to eliminate recession and then again I will regain

    my freedom . I am free I have freedom , If I think Indian Govt. is not doing enough to salvage my freedom I will move to Usa

    or Canada or some other country ,I am free , do u think Indian govt. will stop me from doing that , No ! I have the aothority

    I understand your point and must agree with you that there is a part of freedom that involves mind over matter. A positive attitude with innovative thinking can turn most bad situations better / more tolerable. I congratulate you on having and sharing this inspirational thought. However, to comment on the above, you are somewhat solidifying a point by saying that if your country does not fulfill your freedom requirement, you are free to change countries. This admits that your freedom is limited to your government. Furthermore, even though you can decide to immigrate, USA/Canada will decide whether or not you will be allowed to become a citizen and you have little freedom to decide on that matter. The only power you have lies only in how you present your application, and the rest is out of your hands.

    There is no conclusion to my comments as I believe this is an ongoing and living discussion. If I were to conclude, I would say that it would be best if there were a one world government (Yes, I said it) that understood and provided a wide range of freedoms for thought and expression. Before anyone jumps all over the “one world government” comment with NWO Conspiracy theory replies, I’d like to explain that this is so that there is no discrepancy or jealousy among nations on what is fair or not fair treatment of people. As you know, the USA likes to tell other countries how to run their countries, so it would be better if there were a unified standard (Human Right’s Organization). As it stands, there are governments in the world who have inadequacy issues about their ruling methodology and therefore want to suppress the dissident voices with censorship as they think that this will prevent a revolution. Unfortunately, they are wrong in this way of thinking because people are built with emotion and what goes against nature will naturally be destroyed by nature.

  • Ashok Thakur

    Mr. Albert,

    Thanks a lot for your time Mr. Albert. I really enjoyed sharing thoughts with you as you seems to have a bigger picture in your mind.

    Well one thought of yours :

    if your country does not fulfill your freedom requirement, you are free to change countries. This admits that your freedom is limited to your government. Furthermore, even though you can decide to immigrate, USA/Canada will decide whether or not you will be allowed to become a citizen and you have little freedom to decide on that matter. The only power you have lies only in how you present your application, and the rest is out of your hands.

    really forced me to think about freedom from govt. policies. I really agree with you if I have to countries then where is my freedom ?hmmmmmm I think I have to rethink on it !

    And as long your commment on cross marriages in India is related it was an incident way back in 70 or 80s I think now in India we have a broad thinking over this , India has changed a lot ever since , I was just putting an example.Nowadays Modern India is moving fast , our constitution also has passed the lesbian/gay issue.Actually that was what I want to say that govt. , and religion are not that bigger threats to freedom , bcoz they are changing their shapes according to modern society , to allow more freedom to every citizen .

    Yes sometimes Govt. policies as well as religion may hamper our freedom for sometime but the most appropriate solution that seems to me is realize freedom within yourself.Keep telling yourself that you are free and you have the authority to take your decisions on your own and to make your own world.
    Take right decisions and increase your circle of freedom .

    Ans yes I really appreciate your view “if there were a one world government” , and It may be possible but will take time for sure.Lets hope for that Mr. Albert to happen !

    Well Mr. Albert I am not a Philosopher and I am running out of ideas , to be very Frank hhhhhhhaaaahhhhaa I am a PHP Programmer.

    I just express freedom according to my personal views and my social environment around me.

    Once again thanks you to suggest me some more views on freedom , my circle of thinking has really streatched.

  • Albert

    Ashok Thakur,

    It has been a pleasure to read and reply to you. It is great that India has so many freedoms already and you might not want to move to America in that case. The grass is not always greener on the other side of the fence / ocean. America does a great job of marketing, so if you are considering a move, I encourage you to try before you buy.

    I wish I knew how to program. And you should be commended for contemplating freedom. All too often, I think people get too consumed with their jobs and forget to see where they are going in life or where the government/society is leading them to.

    Bravo for anyone who takes time to consider such unimportant things such as Freedom.

  • Rini

    freedom is we can free everything do.we can do with our ability and must possible and not any effect for another people.
    freedom will we make enjoy

  • justin

    GUYS, i need to know what does B.F. skinner mean about freedom.. PLS HELP ME GUYS this is urgent guyz and i need your reply ASAP. Thank you

  • Chloe

    I believe that Freedom is having a freedom to do something. Or to be free in your own mind. To be free to say what you think, and also to do what you think is right and wrong. To be free to live your life the way you want to live your life. Freedom from misery and pain. Or to be free, to be the person that you are inside.
    Freedom can relate to alot of other things too, like morals and perspective, religeon perhaps.
    ~Chloe

  • Carinea

    The freedom is truth,and truth is freedom

  • Matt D

    Freedom is having no boundaries, true freedom is definitively infinite. Ultimate individual freedom is circumvented only by natural limitations. No individual is to my knowledge this free. Suitable freedom must be reasonable and balanced.

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  • Fulfilling

    So a couple things I read have disturbed me. From reading a few of the comments randomly assorted around, I found a couple people who say they believe in God AND evolution. It is impossible to believe both. Either you believe in God(and are a Christian) or your an evolutionist. The reason it is impossible is because God created the world perfect(Garden of Eden). There was no killing, disease, or any kind of sin. Evolution believes in survival of the fittest. This means killing to come out on top, to survive, which in the beginning or the world it was not needed to fight or kill. So if you believe in God and evolution, you are saying that God is a monster because he allowed people and animals to fight among each other, and whoever wins is better and deserves to survive. But you say animals evolve look at the fossils!! Animals don’t evolve into a different species, only changge within their kind. This is called natural selection, and this began after Adam and eve sinned, and sin was brought into the world. An example of natural selection is this: there is a certain type of beetle on an island and the have wings and can fly. There is also the same type of beetle but with a deformity(mutation), it has no wings. during climate change the wind becomes very high. All the beetles that can fly getthrown into the water and drown. Thus the mutated beetles that can’t fly survive and breed and make more
    beetles without wings. Not evolution! They are still the same kind of beetle. Also about evolution, there are no good mutations. Mutations that actually help that specimen is almost mathatically impossible. I am 17 years old and love Jesus. And Jesus loves everyone in this world. If u want to talk post a message here or I could give you my email.

  • Albert

    I hope this thread can remain about freedom and not become a religious battlefield. To any non-christians out there, let’s just ignore any religious debate as we all know, there’s nothing in the world that can change the mind of a Christian set in stone.

    I hope this thread will be free like the wind and remain open to ideas related to freedom.

  • Luke O

    I agree with Albert let’s keep this about freedom :)

  • Fulfilling

    Sorry I agree to keep it about freedom, but when u actually know what you believe in is true, you can’t help but yet to persuade others, especially when it means eternal life. But your right, that’s for another blog or forum.

  • Jose

    Carinea
    said on November 7, 2009 at 9:51 pm

    The freedom is truth,and truth is freedom

    Unfortunatly Freedom cannot be Truth. Truth is a form of meaning in which we try to conceptualize an ultimate or final point (lol Decartes). We as humans wish to reach this point but fail to do so which is similar to freedom. But freedom is more towards the lines of what we do in our everyday lives. Its probably a bit confusing to understand and sometimes I even confuse myself xD but once freedom is aquired you know theres always more room to have more freedom but once truth is acquired (like it could ever be acquired lol) there wouldnt be anything left no room for improvement or change.

  • Jose

    Fulfilling
    said on November 10, 2009 at 2:53 pm

    So a couple things I read have disturbed me. From reading a few of the comments randomly assorted around, I found a couple people who say they believe in God AND evolution. It is impossible to believe both. Either you believe in God(and are a Christian) or your an evolutionist. The reason it is impossible is because God created the world perfect(Garden of Eden). There was no killing, disease, or any kind of sin. Evolution believes in survival of the fittest. This means killing to come out on top, to survive, which in the beginning or the world it was not needed to fight or kill. So if you believe in God and evolution, you are saying that God is a monster because he allowed people and animals to fight among each other, and whoever wins is better and deserves to survive. But you say animals evolve look at the fossils!! Animals don’t evolve into a different species, only changge within their kind. This is called natural selection, and this began after Adam and eve sinned, and sin was brought into the world. An example of natural selection is this: there is a certain type of beetle on an island and the have wings and can fly. There is also the same type of beetle but with a deformity(mutation), it has no wings. during climate change the wind becomes very high. All the beetles that can fly getthrown into the water and drown. Thus the mutated beetles that can’t fly survive and breed and make more
    beetles without wings. Not evolution! They are still the same kind of beetle. Also about evolution, there are no good mutations. Mutations that actually help that specimen is almost mathatically impossible. I am 17 years old and love Jesus. And Jesus loves everyone in this world. If u want to talk post a message here or I could give you my email.

    btw your not in the wrong. though your expressing a form of freedom in what you say, you must bare this in mind, so are the people who speak on here. Though you may think its impossible to believe in god and evolution people have the freedom to do so. For a fuller freedom or rather to reach the true form of it, it would mean to discard most forms of subjegation.

    In the end the idea of freedom is all well and good but true freedom infringes upon others freedom which then makes freedom not freedom

    (I steal your car thus i am free to drive it but in doing that i violate your freedom to drive in which you must pay or get me arrested to enjoy your freedom to drive which causes my freedom to walk or move around to be restrained by the authorities)

  • Chuck

    Great site!

    In my humble opinion there are fundamentally two kinds of freedom – internal and external.

    Internally we can think and believe what we want but if this differs from society too much then we are ostracized. Society imposes on individual freedom a bit to maintain a certain level of group order.

    Externally we have the freedom to speak and travel and interact with our world. Societies that encourage freedom of both types benefit by becoming more diverse and interesting, while societies that inhibit individual freedom become (or remain) more one-dimensional and boring.

    In America we have a very high level of internal freedom but a somewhat significantly lower level of external freedom. I have to be very careful to think before I speak or I could offend somebody and lose my job. Being Atheist is especially frowned upon even though I follow the law and treat my fellows well.

    What I choose to focus on in my life is to what level do I grant the people around me their freedom to think differently than me and disagree with what “I” believe. There is no real freedom without compassion and the ability to tolerate each others differences. And it is the differences that make life interesting, or, if you look at it from an evolutionary perspective, it is the differences that ALLOWED life to happen.

    Think of it this way. Would this discussion even take place if we all had the same ideas? Of course not. Freedom is… an open discussion!

    Cheers,

  • jenny

    suhp too all ov youu’s , and yeaa here’s a little story foaa youu’s , one day i suddenly freed myself ! wow , it was awsome as , and i enjoyed it , man i had fun doing all kinds of things like swimming , something i never thouqht i’d doo . I finally did it . thanx foaa listening ! ;L

  • Albert

    well said chuck.

    will respond to you when I am more “free”.

  • Albert

    Chuck: “In my humble opinion there are fundamentally two kinds of freedom – internal and external.

    Internally we can think and believe what we want but if this differs from society too much then we are ostracized. Society imposes on individual freedom a bit to maintain a certain level of group order.”

    Where does the societies imposition end and our freedom begin? Is it possible that what we believe to be freedom is simply what society as a whole regards as freedom? Are we free to redefine freedom? (I know I’m just being silly)

    Externally we have the freedom to speak and travel and interact with our world. Societies that encourage freedom of both types benefit by becoming more diverse and interesting, while societies that inhibit individual freedom become (or remain) more one-dimensional and boring.

    I think I agree with you on this. Generally this is where most people’s concerns about freedom lie. But as you mentioned before, these freedoms are hindered by the greater societal norms to maintain a certain level of group order. Therefore you don’t tell the police where to put their ticket unless you are willing to pay the price for those words. As well, you wouldn’t tell your Boss (or Wife) off. You have the freedom to do so, yes. But as stated in previous posts by others, you just wouldn’t exercise your freedom at the risk of losing other freedoms.

    What I choose to focus on in my life is to what level do I grant the people around me their freedom to think differently than me and disagree with what “I” believe. There is no real freedom without compassion and the ability to tolerate each others differences. And it is the differences that make life interesting,…

    If we regard ourselves as part of society, we are not exclusive to choose for ourselves the level of freedoms to permit for others as they have a belief and understanding / perception of what the “norm” is. Not quite sure if I agree with “no real freedom without compassion”. Compassion could be a whole other discussion since it is similar to freedom in that you cannot quite define a standard level of compassion that can be agreed upon. By some people’s definition, I’m sure the word tolerating/tolerance is not a part of the idea of freedom. Every moment that I feel like I’m tolerating something, I am quite sure I am not feeling a high level of freedom.

    or, if you look at it from an evolutionary perspective, it is the differences that ALLOWED life to happen.

    Interesting! Would really like to know more about how FREEDOM is related to the evolutionary process.

    Overall, Chuck, I like where you are going in your definition / exploration of the idea of freedom (internal & external). As for me, it is still any moment where I am not feeling an ounce of worry, concern, obligation, guilt, or responsibility. Whatever I do after that is my free choice (which often defaults to TV or internet, unfortunately)

  • jerry

    freedom is just a word. no it need ack on it and it need blood. it need sacrifise all of your thing which you have without freedom.
    i read the history of che . he was the brave and carefull man . i respeat him in my deep heart. he was not saying that came and make our country free. first he act on it then he say to come people make the country free . son ask me how i feeling in this slave .

    thanks alot

  • join

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  • Rodger

    The better I was able to express myself the better I would be understood. Since English is a struggle for me, it’s hard to say what I want. But I’m free though. I feel I could be more free if I was putting more work into learning English. It’s the same with everything else. The more freedom I sacrifice the freer I get.??? NO it doesn’t make sense. -Well if I learn let’s say an instrument then this could be applied, or not? I have to sit down and practice every day my piano, but by doing so I become free to play whatever I want. Ergo freedom is hard work!
    It’s hard to define what freedom is. Compared to animals, humans are free. Animals can follow only their instincts, they have no choice whatsoever. If an animal is hungry it has to feed. Humans can choose not to eat for as long as they want to. They also can end their lives if they want. Didn’t came an animal across yet which was suicidal! At some stage I believed freedom is an illusion. This has changed to freedom is motion. Whatever I move -in mind or body. The ability/capability to move by choice is required as well. This is my current view of freedom, but not an exhausted one. Let’s not forget I’m quite confined by my past.

  • becs

    you might be free to speak but not to act(vice-versa), free to leave but not to enter, free to die but not to live. nobodys free we all follow rules whether their because of our religion or because they have been set for us by the people who own our country.

  • Kenneth Browne

    Freedom, is what each individual considers it through his or her own perspective. Through his or hers own interpretation of reality.

    Life itself then must be a prison since we are all in an aspect, not free. When you think of it, we are all under control by Man, Nature, or Faith–each with its own laws, for without laws, chaos would be imminent. Therefore, from the moment we are born, we have no freedom because we are bound by laws until our time runs out.

    Some would argue that we have the freedom of choice. However, “choice” itself has an irony–a law–a price. For every choice made, there is a consequnce. That in-its-self is a restraint, and freedom is without restraint.
    Lets us all just be thankful that we were even given such a great power to choose, because nobody truely wants unboundful freedom. Laws and rules are the reasons life is enjoyable, without them, there would be no peace

  • kiki

    I think the most important thing freedom is about,
    is being aware of your own freedom.
    Freedom can only be experienced, mentally as well as physically,
    when you take a moment to stop, breath, and realize
    that you are in fact free.
    Unfortunatly, its people with the least problems that do not, or can not see this.
    If you’re not aware you cannot experience, and therefor not enjoy, your actual freedom.
    You might enjoy the happening itself, whatever that might be.
    But often not the fact that you are free to do it.

    I ask you to be kind and aware.
    Happy valentines day!

  • HANNAH

    FOR ME FREEDOM IS SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN EXPRESS WHAT YOU WANT WITHOUT HAVING ANY DOUBTS TO DO THINGS AND WITHOUT LISTENING WITH WHAT OTHERS WANT!!

  • Jose

    so what if every body thought that way?

  • Joe Blow

    True freedom as a human being cannot possibly exist due to constraints of time/matter. This leaves us with the hope that when we die we will realise this true freedom. As a human being no-one knows what happens when we die so you cannot argue on what you think true freedom is like. How about we have this discussion when we are ‘dead’ :D

  • SAJJAD

    hi all. Good opinion guys. i live in IRAN. i wana say that freedom means not only do everything you want but also have rights to change
    your destiny or fate. this is real freedom. and it’s impossible
    so we are only free to go everywhere we want or do every thing we want and sth like that which are all physical. (sorry for my poor english). by the way, we are allowed to do everything we want according to our religion. so don’t trust damn advertises form USA.

  • Caroline

    k so i’ve read the majority of this discussion and here’s what i’ve collected:
    freedom is…
    -the oppurtunity to own your own destiny
    -the power to make priorities and act on them
    -when thoughts and emotions are unrestricted
    -the ability to change thoughts, improve knowledge/understanding
    -a condition of the spirit, that can be chosen to acknowledged
    -your mind which can act as a medium in which you are able to acheive/experience what we define as freedom, anything may be conceived there
    -also reletive as some people claim to be more free than others (perhaps in different countries)
    -freedom is deversity
    -being human in its simplest form
    -when your mind is at peace
    -time, as humans define it, for it will always go on
    -the 5 senses, without them does anything exist?
    -the ability to carry out decisions
    -letting other people be free as well

    then again is freedom not a word developed by humans to define a concept? therefore the concept of freedom itself is a limitation

  • marian

    Freedom is the ability to fulfill your dreams, your wishes, your wants. Every person’s freedom infringes on another’s. True freedom in society is a balance of freedom.
    Freedom is truly, a tricky thing.

  • Jose

    So who decides what is balanced :P the individual? Society? The persons Culture?

  • Chris C.

    It always makes me laugh when people say that America is a free country. We do not have “incredible freedom” here. Quite the contrary: you are more likely to wind up in jail (often for petty reasons) in the US than anywhere else in the world!

    Freedom — REAL freedom — does involve freedom from as well as freedom to. If you depend on an overbearing boss then you are just as much a slave as you would be if you were in chains. Real freedom requires self-reliance.

    And it also requires dignity — the “right” to not tolerate insults or other slights against your honor. This is why “freedom of speech” alone isn’t adequate for real freedom. Real freedom is the freedom of the frontier — the freedom of the barbarian.

    In case anyone is confused by this, freedom is NOT safety or comfort. A FREE life may also be a SHORT and CHALLENGING one.

  • Chris C.

    It always makes me laugh when people say that America is a free country, just because you can bash Obama without being shot. We do not have “incredible freedom” here. Quite the contrary: you are more likely to wind up in jail (often for petty reasons) in the US than anywhere else in the world!

    Freedom — REAL freedom — does involve freedom from as well as freedom to. If you depend on an overbearing boss then you are just as much a slave as you would be if you were in chains. Real freedom requires self-reliance.

    And it also requires dignity — the “right” to not tolerate insults or other slights against your honor. This is why “freedom of speech” alone isn’t adequate for real freedom. Real freedom is the freedom of the frontier — the freedom of the barbarian.

    In case anyone is confused by this, freedom is NOT safety or comfort. A FREE life may also be a SHORT and CHALLENGING one.

  • Luke O

    I completely agree with Chris C real freedom is rarely peaceful and all most every time the majority will disagree with your way of “freedom” because they cannot compriend a way of life without rules.

  • abderrahim ezraidi

    freedom has become mere words.it is a way for achieving a certain purpose.

  • ezraidi abderrahim

    Of course,luke o,no one would deny that rules are one ratr of every one’s freedom,but every one look at freedom from his part.In your cvountry,fore xample,your government give its value.In our country,morocco,most of people do not know what does the word freedom mean;that’s why they do not have it and leave it.As a second differnt between us and your country,people here are not given their all simple rights so that we can call them free or live their freedom.Do you know that we are not free in expressing our opinion here.iven if you say the truth that hurt the persons who have high position in life,you have to be put in prison…..
    s a student,I believe in freedom.Yes,freedom gives us the most important thing in ourlife,happiness.but freedom has gone with MARTIN LUTHER.I wish you are still a live MARTINto see what freedom what has happened to what you have been protesting for ages.

  • Luke O

    Very true, there are alot of people in the world who are not aware of their human rights but I would advise that you don’t take my countries freedom at face value because yes we do have the freedom of speech but only as long as does not upset the power balance.

  • prema

    Well said. When one is in awareness, of total being and one with the actual “I” only then the reality is understood not in the idea,thought,action and memory procedure but it’s just there as it is. First of all all these BELIEF,IDEAS,THOUGHTS WHICH ARE THE ROOT CAUSE OF WHAT TODAY WE ARE, NEED TO BE ERASED WITH COMPLETE UNDERSTANDING ONLY THEN TRUE FREEDOM FROM FREEDOM WHICH IS ENCLOSED FROM BAGGAGE OF PAST PAST AND A MODIFIED FUTURE BASED ON PAST.
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  • ajmal afandi

    freedom is the right of all people, no one should be deprived of this right. Freedom is not only required for people, you may have seen a bird in a cage that runs every corner of the cage to find a whole and get free, even though each kind of food and water are ready for it.
    ajmal afandi from AFGHANISTAN

  • Joe Blow

    In my own opinion, freedom is love.
    This may sound dramatically romantic, which it probably is. But I personally believe that freedom and entrapment are all just frames of mind when you fall in love with something or someone it is an intense feeling beyond the norm. Therefore you are free from the norm and suddenly everything seems different, this will inevitably induce change however but if you think about it have you ever had a moment of love where time feels like it has stopped? or doesn’t matter anymore? or isn’t an issue? When something isn’t an issue or you do not care for it then in a sense it does not exist for you, I suppose this is a strange concept but think for example that someone only likes metal and has never listened to RnB then to them RnB does not exist, this is due to their love for Metal making them free from RnB and the issues the music brings with it.

    Just a thought

  • Pamela Alley-Taylor

    Good observations. I agree with you that freeedom is expanded as abilities are. When I feel my best is in accomplishments well done and evermoreso when they are well recieved.
    Blessings to you and your family and hopes for knowledge to be explored and given again. It is so good.
    Pamela Taylor Eph.3

  • julie

    worst crap I’ve read in awhile…trying to be to esoteric, but you never really touch on the “inner thing” that are freedom Mountain Climbers really don’t touch on the true meaning of Freedom. Most people don’t relate, don’t care. You need to find that “inner thing” that encompasses us all…that makes for good reading!! Sorry just constructive criticism.

  • ina nahar

    Freedom does not mean license but the wisdom to choose what is right for oneself.I have a few questions.
    -how is freedom been in conflict b/w generations?
    -can freedom be viewed independent of responsibility ?
    -what then is the true meaning of freedom when viewed from the perspective of responsibility towards oneself ?
    -Do we have responsibility just towards ourself or for people around us too ?
    Many intelligent people are commenting here.Hope anyone answers my questions too.You could well guess why I want the answers.

    Ina Nahar from India.

  • Sanjula

    Hi, I was looking for articles and such on freedom and I came across this. I was looking for the articles for an essay contest and thought I would put on my views.
    Freedom as I see it, is to rise to whatever we want to be, whatever we see ourself to be, as long as it does not affect anyone else adversely. This is really important, that our actions, when we want to be ‘free’ do not inconvenience anyone as we see a lot of people walking around, treading on other people’s toes, saying, “It’s a free country.” Anyone who violates other’s freedom is undeserving of his own freedom. It must be kept in mind that when we say “I want freedom.”, there are many people like you, who weant freedom and get it. So, what I am saying is that freedom for our own self is good, as long as it does not affect others adversely.

  • Sanjula

    I meant ‘want freedom and get it.’
    Note: I am a 14 year old studying in India, and have given my views on the topic, please comment back and tell me what you think about it, maybe I could get some ideas for my essay.

  • Christi

    FREEDOM’S JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE….JANIS JOPLIN BOBBY MCGEE

  • Christi

    HOW LONG BEFORE THE WILL OF OTHERS ENCOMPASSES WHAT IS LEFT OF FREEDOM AS WE KNOW IT IN THE UNITED STATES. YOU USED TO BE FREE TO DO WHAT YOU WANTED. YOU USED TO BE FREE TO RAISE YOUR CHILDREN THE WAY YOU SAW FIT,

    FREEDOM? YOU CAN BE FREE TO DO WHAT WANT ONLY IF IT DOESN’T OFFEND OTHERS, MY UNCLE USED TO RAISE DOGS TO FIGHT, HE LOVED THE SPORT, MADE A LIVING WITH IT, LOVED HIS DOGS. BUT A WHOLE LOT OF PEOPLE FIND IT OFFENSIVE– NOT ALL PEOPLE MIND YOU, JUST A LOT. HE IS A CRIMINAL NOW IF WERE TO FIGHT A DOG.

    I KNOW A WOMAN A CATHOLIC WOMAN WHOSE HUSBAND FONDLED ONE OF HER CHILDREN, SHE FOLLOWED HER RELIGION AND SOUGHT HELP FROM THE CHURCH, SHE WAS ADVISED ON THE SUBJECT, SHE GOT HER HUSBAND SOME HELP AND AFTER SOME TIME OF PROVING HIMSELF SHE HAD HER HUSBAND RETURN TO HER FAMILY. WELL THERE WAS SOME PEOPLE THAT DID NOT THINK IT WAS RIGHT, SO CPS CAME AND TOOK HER CHILDREN AWAY the reason? they (cps) was unsure if she would protect her child if that child should be hurt in the future. SHE WAS FREE ? TO PROTECT HER OWN CHILDREN? ON HER OWN?

    FREEDOM TO NOT BE STOPPED BY MILITIA OR POLICE unless you were seen or caught doing something wrong. tell that to the man who was stopped in a park and harrassed and arrested because he carried a gun strapped to his side–in america where you are free to bear arms. yes he was free, to prove to the authorities that he had paid the state their cut, and had the proper permits in order.

    I saw a woman with two kids the other day on the side of the road. she had a sign stating she was trying to earn enough money to move out of the state with her children, I drove by later to see a police car loading her into it separating her from her children, was she free to ask fellow americans for help with out going through an organized agency provided or funded by our government?

    YOU CAN ONLY BE FREE TO WORK SOME TRADES AFTER YOU PAY THE GOVERNMENT A FEE, SOME ROADS YOU CAN NOT TRAVEL ON UNTIL YOU PAY, driving is privilage not a right, you now have to pay for a driver license, annual registration fees, insurance, you must be able to pass emissions and pay them to test your car. tell dmv with in 10 days when and where you move to.

    you need to pay the state, or city, or county or federal government when you make money, when you buy something, when you earn interest, when you pay for utilities, when you have someone clean your house, when you clean someone elses house, when even pay when you go to jail now. for the time you spend in the jail.

    you are not free to do what you want to your body, you are not free to put what you want into your body, you are not free to educate your own child unless you pay and prove to the state that you follow their guidelines. you are not free to choose which immunizations your child receives unless you follow the guidelines exactly that you are required to follow..

    YOU ARE NOT FREE TO HOMESTEAD LAND ANYMORE, YOU ARE NOT FREE TO DIE IF THAT IS WHAT YOU WISH –SUICIDE IS ILLEGAL IN MOST States. you are not free to go swim in that lake over there, not unless you pay the state to enter. you are not free to have and run a communications service without making your equipment accessible and compatible (at your expense) with police communication tapping devises. you are not free to tell your customers there privacy is being invaded

    you are not free to not wear a seatbelt, you are not free to drink unless you over a certain age — an age decided by some group of people who know so much more than you do free?

  • Fulfilling

    Many of the things you said Christi are ignorant and naive. Without a government our nation would be put into chaos. Without police force, crime would fill the country. The federal government, that is the national and state governments working in consert, maintain a balance for our nation. Many times the national government bails states out of debt. Our government provides services for us, such as schools, firestations, highways, and an army. This is what our tax money goes into, which is put back into our benefit.(sometimes tax money is used unwisely, but most of the time it is used correctly). They also provide us with rules(the constitution). If we all followed our own rules, it would be constant arguing, ending with another civil war. Every state would look out for themselves, instead of a united nation. If the states separated, we would be easy prey to the many other countries who dislike us. A goverrnment is necessary, our world is not a utopia. As long as government is necessary, absolute freedom does not exist.

  • Fulfilling

    I believe absolute freedom can only be found in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

  • Christi

    They also provide us with rules(the constitution)

    I NEVER SAID THERE SHOULD BE NO GOVERNMENT. I UNDERSTAND THE CONSTITUTION QUITE WELL, (WELL NO , NOT REALLY–BETTER TO SAY I UNDERSTAND THE BILL OF RIGHTS QUITE WELL.) IF YOU REREAD WHAT I HAVE WRITTEN YOU MIGHT CLUE IN TO THE FACT THAT I AM AN OLDER, VERY BITTER, YOU MIGHT CATCH THAT I HAVE OBSERVED MANY VIOLATION OF RIGHTS OF MANY PEOPLE. ITS ABSOLUTELY AMAZING. IF THE GOVERNMENT . WOULD FOLLOW THOSE SAME RULES I WOULD NOT BE SO BITTER. IF I WAS ACTUALLY ABLE TO EXERCISE THE RIGHTS IN THE CONSTITUTION I WOULD NOT HAVE A PROBLEM WITH OUR GOVERNMENT. WE HAVE BUT THE ILLUSION OF FREEDOM…
    ANYONE REMEMBER JOESEPH STALIN 1936 CONSTITUTION?

    SOMETHING ABOUT LET ME RULE OVER YOU AND I WILL GIVE YOU EDUCATION, FREE MEDICAL CARE, MATERNITY LEAVE? ELDER CARE?
    I CANT REMEMBER IT ALL.

    SOUNDS LIKE WHAT WE HAVE HERE NOW IN THE FREE COUNTRY OF THE UNITED STATES. IS ANYONE GETTING THIS?

  • http://none.com albert

    Christi & Fulfilling,

    Most of us seek the same thing in our lives and that is to be happy with a sense of security and freedom to control our destinies (within reason). Accusing another person of being naive is not the way to achieve this as that imposes on the other persons freedom to express and share their understanding and opinions. That being said, I will eat my feet for what I’m about to say.

    I believe absolute freedom can only be found in our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ.

    Fulfilling, although it might be right for you, I don’t agree that religion is the answer for all. I understand you are sharing your belief, but my experience with religion also alerts me to how religious types have a propensity to preach and promote their beliefs even when not welcomed. This discussion is “what is freedom?” and if you think freedom is religion, then good for you. However, whether you admit it or not, it’s obvious to me that it isn’t the answer, otherwise you wouldn’t be seeking for the answer on this discussion.

    The interesting thing about your post is that you seem to be younger as the basis behind your argument seem ideal from text books, teachers and the institutions. I’m not taking sides, but Christi seems to be providing eye witness examples and offering an opinion based on those things that she’s seen and allowing people to draw conclusions for themselves.

    Christi, you seem very bitter and angry and I can definitely relate with that to some degree. The longer one lives, the more examples of injustice one encounters. The trends are what they are. The people today don’t realize that the cellphones with tracking devices and these social networking sites and datamining technologies actually permit some infringement on their rights. It’s not all bad if used properly, but these days there have been incidents where the wrong people are being attacked by the authorities, while the real bad guys get away. Truly isn’t right. Fulfilling, if your Jesus can do anything about that, you might be able to convert me. Until then, I remain a slave to all my obsessions.

    Seek peace, but not at the expense of your rights.

  • Christi

    Albert,

    thank you for sharing your opinion, you sound intelligent. yes, I am bitter. for very good reasons. But I am learning not to be so much. I used to be quite the opposite, but things change. What I am not is naive, quite the opposite actually. I used to believe in our system, right was right and wrong was wrong, anyone with a little common sense can tell them apart. (and I will withhold the government employee dig because i am trying not to be sarcastic) And

    I used to believe that we were a free country. Don’t misunderstand me, I do know that compared to most of the others, this country does allow for A LOT more freedom than almost all of the others. But we are not as free as we once were, and we are losing these freedoms quickly, like the snowball effect.

    what is even more scary is how many times i have heard people say they did not mind a slight infringement on their rights in exchange for the safety they get in exchange.

    there was a quote i heard once about the people of usa being fed socialist ideas bit by bit until one day they will wake up and realize they are no longer a free country at all. I wish I could remember how it went.

    And that is so true Albert about the older you are the more injustices you will witness. Makes me respect the elderly that much more, those people have seen some ****!!!

    ALL IN THE NAME OF SAFETY people.

    I LIKED MY FIRST RESPONSE BETTER THOUGH…

    “FREEDOM JUST ANOTHER WORD FOR NOTHING LEFT TO LOSE…”
    JANIS JOPLIN SONG LYRICS FOR BOBBY MCGEE

  • http://none.com albert

    Thank you for your reply, Christi.

    I suggest to anyone who does not feel free to go far away from the city and camp in the wilderness or just be far away from big city life for a week. Although there might be a state security tsunami coming, at least u can taste that feeling of freedom before it hits (if it does).

    That priest is planning to burn the Koran tomorrow and that should ignite an uprising (unbelievable how this person is a figure of authority and respect). We should witness global unrest to follow as I understand the religious types in Islam/Muslim faith will not take lightly to such an action. What will follow will be war, financial market turmoil, and potentially more unemployment due to the uncertainty of the future. They said it couldn’t get worse… as all that bailout money is spent, maybe they are wrong? That’s neither here nor there when it comes to freedom.

    All I know is if you are able to survive in the wilderness, there is freedom to be felt. That’s not likely an option for me for the moment, but I wouldn’t count it out as a last resort.

    Peace to all… let’s not start any wars. I really hope that priest will change his mind.

  • Gole Bhupendra

    Freedam is a fair thing

  • http://coolbeans.com coolbeans

    Freedom … is coool!

  • oliver

    this is stupid

  • ina nahar

    how can freedom ever be stupid ? u never felt lack of freedom in ur life? imagine this world without freedom. it wud be like hell. and if u really think dat freedom is stupid den probably u like dis world to be like hell.

  • Don

    Just a little quote I’d like to share:

    Freedom is not the function of government, rather, freedom is a function of the soul

  • saef

    i dont agree with the above topic because freedom dont mean only getting freedom from prison or something for me freedom means having the right of b doing something according to me

  • Cozytw

    Freedom is not an object; it takes on two, and only two forms. A state of mind, and an understanding of freedom’s potential itself. The “Understanding of freedom’s potential” form is related to (freedom from/freedom to) form. For example, you have freedom of speech in some countries, while others are restricted, like North Korea and its censorship. Obviously we have no freedom to fly, or exit this dimensional plane. This form is easy to infer from, and is in particular instinct to humans. Now comes the state-of-mind form. Freedom in a state-of-mind means that one’s mentality has achieved a state whereby nothing can restrict his will, even when it restricts his body. If Man can’t fly naturally, then they shall mentally. However, the state-of-mind form of Freedom is not to be confused with a carefree attitude. This is a misinterpret many have fouled at.

    However, many may portrait Freedom as an object(s), which is yet another huge foul, in order to gain a better focus of what they’re dealing with. If Freedom was a figure head, they would naturally gain patriotism. If Freedom were Man, they would feel a superiority complex towards animals. Hence, due to this foul, as people try to get closer to freedom, they stray from their original path. Only those lucky enough to have felt both ends of the needle and survived can truly understand this text, and hopefully spread it around.

  • Cozytw

    Cozytw
    said on November 7, 2010 at 12:26 pm

    Yeah, it’s ma birthday. I’m so happy I made such a good speech…

    … Oh god, that felt TOO mature…

    … HOW OLD AM I EXACTLY?!

  • Me

    Whoever said you need to break from time and matter to be free? Freedom from physical standpoints are easily broken by mental freedom.

    Make your own choices, believe what you want to believe. THAT is freedom.

  • Ping-yeh Chiang

    Thank you for all the comments.
    This post really helped me with my speech.
    I would like to share my speech with you.
    I have three main point.
    What is absolute freedom?
    1.the general freedom is an opportunity to pursue happiness,since we live in this world, we are bound by the Law of nature, the ideal freedom(to be without boundaries) can not be achieved
    2.The measurement of the freedom- the amount of freedom one has in directly proportion to the amount of choices he has.
    3.When a good choice is made, it leads to more choices which means more freedom, when a bad choice is made, it is just the opposite. (Pay attention that i am not talking about only rules, but also the consequences of the certain acts)

    Absolute freedom=unlimited choices
    what does infinity mean in math? It means growing without boundaries, so Absolute freedom can be achieved whenever one’s choice is growing without boundaries.

    Would you guys help me find the Flaw in my speech?
    And tell me whether you agree with it or not. i will really appreciate it:)

    by Ping-yeh Chiang

  • Stefan

    Freedom is something abstract. It can mean different things to everybody, but no matter how many definitions you give it, you can never be exactly right.

    Freedom cannot be defined. If you define it, you are destroying its essence.

  • Ping-yeh Chiang

    If a word can’t be defined, then it is not even a word.
    Of course, a word can be interpreted differently, but i want to discuss what it generally mean whenever we are using it everyday.
    Would anyone discuss my opinion up there with me.
    Thanks:)

  • Kathleen

    Freedom is found in a heart and not a place. Freedom is a thought and not a circumstance.

    Unknown Artist

  • Kathleen

    A person must remember consequences. This world is NOT a free world. Take responsibility and prepare yourself for life.

  • dacu

    To love is to be free.

  • atrah from Hungary

    freedom is…. to be free from desires to be something else that you are. is simple… if you accept yourself, you will be totally free…

  • Ryan

    Freedom is following what your heart desires.
    Do not let the circumstances change you, you have the power to change it. Keep believing!

  • thomas

    freedom is something unattainable we dream of it but as long as we interact with society, own stuff ect… we are tied down to everything we know

  • rodger

    Here I am and asking myself: What would I have if I were utterly free? Would there be anything at all? Would I have freedom if I were utterly free? Do we not need the opposite of freedom to be free?

  • Chrisie

    “Freedom” is a trick to the mind, it does not exist, it’s merely a word, a word in which is imaginary.

  • http://www.mbtukmbt.com shoes

    let’s look at it. His purpose is to climb mountains. So if he would achieve that he would achieve happiness.

  • KarRa

    freedom mean that you peace of siet

  • Orange

    I know that this blog was written more than 4 years ago haha but I think this is a very intriguing idea. Freedom essentially is a perception. A belief that varies with the perspective of each individual. It is, as stated in this article or blog, relative. Usually we say we want the freedom to do something (generally good), and then there is the freedom from something (generally bad). This clearly implies the reality that freedom is what we make it. It is synonymous with happiness and the “meaning of life”. But these are merely attempts to describe the humanity’s condition and the world around us. The more money one has, the more free they are. Am I correct? And the more physically fit one is, and the better one’s health, the more freedom that person has, lets say to travel and move and whatnot. What i truly think is abstract about this idea that all it means in the dictionary is “absence of hindrance or restraint”. But if everything is a restraint, why have people who have suffered in the Holocaust or as slaves wished for nothing more than what we have today. Yet here we are complaining that school and jobs and family constrains and restricts us. Tell that to a slave or a Holocaust survivor. Freedom does not come with loneliness and isolation and lack of action. It is the power of free will. The power to have a dream and pursue it. It is the power to believe and pursue that belief. It is the power to laugh with friends and spend time with family. It is the ability to live and fulfill everything you want in life, without fear, without useless timidity. We say people before us fought for freedom. But what they truly fought for was the innate ability for a person to reach their highest potential, to be all they could be. And you may ask, well what is that? I guess it depends on who you are and what you truly want out of life.

  • Orange

    honestly wtf, this is a dead blog, SOMEONE RESPOND!
    NOW!
    -from, ORANGE.

  • http://none.com unorange-inal

    freedom is something to be savored when you can, and endeavored when you can’t… if money buys your freedom, then money is your slave master.

    i admit, i am slave… but one can find happiness in meaningful slavery.

  • ORANGE

    Sup unorange
    nice to meet you..
    is there a particular purpose for the “-inal” unorange?
    -ORANGE —> (THE original)

    ^ THE EPITOME OF FREEDOM

  • andypantsresponsehey

    — Andy pants

    Although philosophically intriguing, this hypothetical instance is merely a play on words. You have freedom to suppress your own freedom. The reality is that freedom is a relative and elusive term that manifests itself with through the experience of the opposite: oppression. So therefore, to understand the taste of absolute freedom, one must be oppressed to the extreme. Maybe thats why you locked up your freedom. You cannot experience it without knowing what life is like without it. The true epitome freedom is an idea. It is something that humans made up to attempt to describe the broader picture, the idealistic goal in life. This is because people aim to live without hindrance, without fears, and have the room to grow into the people they want to be. Freedom is having no responsibilities. People want what they can’t have. The question is, is freedom something that we want? Perhaps individually, yes, but absolute freedom in society would expunge control.

  • andypantsresponsehey

    You see someone in a cage, you assume they are less free than you.
    But imagine if everything they needed was in that cage. (Hypothetically)
    What if you even had the key to your own cage, but instead you locked yourself, and your freedom in. — Andy pants

    Although philosophically intriguing, this hypothetical instance is merely a play on words. You have freedom to suppress your own freedom. The reality is that freedom is a relative and elusive term that manifests itself with through the experience of the opposite: oppression. So therefore, to understand the taste of absolute freedom, one must be oppressed to the extreme. Maybe thats why you locked up your freedom. You cannot experience it without knowing what life is like without it. The true epitome freedom is an idea. It is something that humans made up to attempt to describe the broader picture, the idealistic goal in life. This is because people aim to live without hindrance, without fears, and have the room to grow into the people they want to be. Freedom is having no responsibilities. People want what they can’t have. The question is, is freedom something that we want? Perhaps individually, yes, but absolute freedom in society would expunge control.

  • noemie

    Hello !!
    I am french and I would like some ideas because I need to write a slam about Freedom I have some ideas but i would like a bite more !!!!

  • http://none.com unorange-inal

    Sup unorange
    nice to meet you..
    is there a particular purpose for the “-inal” unorange?
    -ORANGE —> (THE original)
    ^ THE EPITOME OF FREEDOM

    according to your post, i think the purpose was served.

    what makes you the epitome of freedom?

    i am envious. how can i be more like you?

  • Blake Landry

    What is true freedom? Do we really have the option to live free?

    Over the last century especially, Canadian and American citizens have slowly been robbed of their personal freedom. The government has taken OUR freedom, and have replaced it with egoistic freedom adding razzle dazzle to fit our acceptance needs. What i mean is “Empire Emagination”. Simply laws that are passed that take our freedom but are instead listed as something for our own protection such as the gun registration laws. Now although many will agree that freedom is within lawful acts, but are you really free when you are restricted?

    Another freedom that we are taken away from is the freedom within our own homes. What i mean is something like the War Measures Act which gives government legal rights to act without warrants. What is really coming from the government is not protection, although safety is sometimes helped, but we are striped from our funadmental freedoms. Taxes are inevitably yet another take away from freedom. ALthough our country is unable to run without taxes, we have no freedom to choose what is bought with our own money that we have had to work for. No matter where we go to in the country, taxes are always implied against us.

    True freedom, however, is the freedom of choice: the freedom of religion, the freedom of speech, the freedom of mobility, and mostly, the freedom of responsibility. True freedom is not acting in whatever manner is pleasing, but fundamental freedom is essentially guided by the limit of responsibility, not hindered. With every freedom, there is responsibility. Responsibility reguarding everyone else. Being free and having any right are two completely differnt things. There is no right to kill someone, however one may think they are free to do so.

    Like math, there is no evidence for existence of freedom. Numbers are essentially an idea. Freedom is esentially a thought. What is freedom to you? What is freedom to me? Freedom is what each of us makes of it….

    I could continue on what i think freedom ammounts to, however no matter what i say, freedom is different for the next person.

  • jaime

    realy interesting everyone :D but no one knows where does freedom really exists u and only u can find urs, it sounds like clishe but in my short time of life just 19 years old xp i can tell that i never felt free cus i got parents and school and even society that makes us in controle… controle by those that control the world and u will never b free if u dont drop every thing that they offer u to do that… things and stuff are just an invention of man to distract us of life to help us on the problems. when ur sad u eat or u watch tv or u listen to music without this things u dont fell happy but with them u cant fell happy to xp its like a 2 points question u need matirial cuz them made it that way ur freedom comes here from leaving all that beind xP sorry for the english im not to good at righting, but hey im free here i can right no one cars if its rong or not its just an opinion xP

  • Joe Blow

    This is all very interesting, and your ideas on society as a whole have relevance. Everyone here seems to believe that the restriction of freedom either mainly or partly involves society as a whole: mainly in the example of government control.
    You all have brilliant ideas, but are ideas really enough? I want to know, what are you doing about this? How are you trying to become free? do you do something everyday for yourself? Are you trying to ‘liberate the masses’ as you do so? To what end will this achieve? We are not a utopian society, conflict is in our very essense of being. How can we keep order when no one governs? Furthermore there will always be someone who seeks to have power over others, someone who wants and needs more.

    Ultimately I wish to know how you think a society of equals, freedom and coexistence could be realistic?
    And if it isn’t realistic, why are you trying to seek freedom? Is it for yourself alone?

  • MrClay

    Hello!
    Just wanna share my thoughts about freedom. Physical freedom is easy to
    notice since its evident and could be perceived by your senses.
    But that real issue of freedom happens from within, from our thoughts and emotions.
    We can easily say that you are free to do anything that you want to do especially if you are living in a democratic country. Even if you’re a prisoner, after you’ve been released from prison, you’re already free physically.
    I just wanna share the real freedom that would really set us free.
    The real freedom that i’ve found is the freedom that God has given to us through Jesus Christ. Through His death and resurrection, He has given us freedom from the slavery of Sin. If we will receive Him in our lives, we will experience the real freedom that we are looking for. Through him there is satisfaction and you will no longer feel the emptiness inside you because you’ve found your purpose in life because you’ve found Jesus in your life.
    Just wanna share this verse:
    “For I know my plans for you, declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” – Jeremiah 29:11

    God bless you guys.. =)
    Find your freedom through Jesus Christ..=)

  • MrClay

    Hello!
    Just wanna share my thoughts about freedom. Physical freedom is easy to notice since its evident and could be perceived by your senses.
    But the real issue of freedom happens from within, from our thoughts and emotions.
    You can easily say that you are free to do anything that you want to do especially if you are living in a democratic country. Even if you’re a prisoner, after you’ve been released from prison, you’re already free physically.
    I just wanna share the real freedom that would really set us free.
    The real freedom that i’ve found is the freedom that God has given to us through Jesus Christ. Through His death and resurrection, He has given us freedom from the slavery of Sin. If we will receive Him in our lives, we will experience the real freedom that we are looking for. Through him there is satisfaction and you will no longer feel the emptiness inside you because you’ve found your purpose in life because you’ve found Jesus in your life.
    That is tested and proven because i have experienced it in my life.
    Just wanna share this verse:
    “For I know my plans for you, declares the Lord. Plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.” – Jeremiah 29:11

    God bless you guys.. =)
    Find your freedom through Jesus Christ..=)

  • kr

    Is this still active? You can test your ideas out… or vote for the best meaning of freedom at freedom.wigtop.com.

  • uguyshvenFckinLife

    Who the fuck spends so much time on this tupid blog or post or whatver, how bout u guys get the fck off the internet and get a girlfriend and sop talking about freedom, its wha u want it to be not any of the bulllshit u guys sed!

  • Brummir

    To the guy with the last very rude message,
    May I suggest that you learn English and try
    To understand that by discussing an issue one
    Can broaden your mind, so once you have
    Learnt English and have mastered a molecule
    Of decency then feel free to join the human race.
    There are many adults there………..,,!

  • jdo braz

    First I’ll direct this at hadar,

    Modern physics most certainly does not claim that “electrons never relly exists until you look at them, thus entraping them. Which makes us conclude that if a person doesnt exist and you suddenly look at him, he is entraped.”

    If you stand in your kitchen and turn on the light while looking at the floor, you will never see the actual lightbulb. But you can see your shadow and the surounding light. Allowing you to logically conclude that both you and the lightbulb must exist.

    Secondly, There are two types of thought process’s in the world. Philisophical and Reality. They are separate and are guided by a different set of laws logically. Can a person be free within a set guidline of the definition. Yes, in the literal sense of freedom of being. Can anyone ever be free in the philisophical sense? No, in the philisophical sese of freedom of mind.

    Don’t argue apples and apply it to oranges.

  • Jo

    G’day Jimbo! I’m Jo from the island of Australia, (gee wonder what gave that away..) So anyways, great intro on freedom. The boundaries are limitless once you can see the glass for what it truely is. cheers :-)

  • crazy

    Freedom is the right to choose; to create for yourself the alternatives of choice. Freedom means different things to different people. Freedom is to think for one’s self or even to think something different from what is considered the status quo. It’s a freedom of expression and a freedom to be different. In an ideal free society, you have the ability to truly be yourself and to express yourself without fear of ridicule or harm. Freedom is the opportunity to own your own destiny, within the limits of reason and morality. One has the power to make their own priorities and to act upon them accordingly. However, freedom has to be balanced with order. When one’s freedom constricts another’s freedom it has gone too far and there will undoubtedly be consequences. Sometimes-harsh consequences. Examples of this would be murder and rape, for which persecution would later ensue. Everyone has the freedom to control his or her own thoughts, which can never be taken away. Freedom is when you fully understand your purpose in life and that you dont destroy other people’s freedom.
    all of us are responsible for our own actions. even atheists have a responsibilities though they are authentic people they still have responsibilities. Even in societies where freedom is limited, thought and emotions are untouched by these restrictions.
    To me “Freedom” is when you are be able to take a deep breath, and after the deep breath you have absolute no worries. When your mind is in peace, there, you’ll be free!

  • Jaro Sebek

    Freedom is the ability to infinitely (i.e. what was, what is, and what will be eternally) experience each and every moment of existence as being all that exists which includes nothing.

  • espiga julius

    we have freedom to do good or evil;yet to make choice of evil, is not to use, but to abuse our freedom. julius

  • snp

    JIM,
    I think all r free from birth.
    Actually they misused their freedom in some case and other and lost their freedom.
    U and I have total freedom to do anything but not misusing our freedom.

    For example, a person took bribe or offer bribe then there he misused his freedom.

  • snp

    I think all r free from birth.
    Actually they misused their freedom in some case and other and lost their freedom.

    U and I have total freedom to do anything but not misusing our freedom.
    and request everybody to understand the right meaning of freedom.

    For example, a person misbehaving another innocent person then there the police will arrest the first one due to misuse of freedom.
    For example, Sadam Hussain lost his freedom by doing unsocial activities.

  • snp

    TOTAL FREEDOM is the GOD gift from birth.
    But we lost our freedom by doing some illegal activities.

    But to remain free is so simple to do the right thing until our death.

  • Are you sure?

    Some people seem to believe that freedom has ties with society’s rules and even “Gods”. How do you know these rules aren’t a restriction? Who told us these rules? Society set rules to retain order, is order freedom? What of chaos? I believe chaos has many aspects of freedom in it too. Furthermore man interpreted “Gods” will, if “God” does exist and di pass on these “rules” wouldn’t they be polluted the very second a man had control of them? I believe many of the ideas expressed in religious literature are purely expressed by humans and their own insecurity and not a “Gods” would a God really act like a child with attachment issues and need constant worship? Would they punish humans for it being expressed between people of the same sex? I think not, these are humanities ploys and I believe these ideas of freedom express just as much entrapment. But this is merely my opinion, we are all entitled to our own.

  • norah

    .. freedom is the ability to make the decision without external stimulation

    norah

  • Zhiwei

    Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

    And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

    They answered him, We be Abraham’s seed, and were never in bondage to any man: how sayest thou, Ye shall be made free?

    Jesus answered them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin.

    And the servant abideth not in the house for ever: but the Son abideth ever.

    If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.

    ~John 8:31-36

    Turn to Jesus for true Freedom Hallelujah!

  • ?Jack?

    What is Freedom? (update 2010-05-09)

    FREEDOM is self-determinance; it is the condition of minimal constraint. Naturally, in a society or community, there has to be some constraints — the burglar cannot have the freedom to steal, the thug cannot have the freedom to mug, and the businessman cannot have the freedom to excessively pollute and pay no taxes. But get the balance between personal freedom, social order and ecological integrity right, and the vast majority of citizens can live happily with moderate personal freedom and minimal constraints.

    Our freedom and constraints are formalized by a very long written agreement between individuals (or legal entities such as companies) and between individuals and the society of which he, she or it is a part. This formal agreement, called the law or legal system, is a constantly evolving and changing as new situations and circumstances arise. (Parts of this legal system, usually those dealing with human rights, are deliberately less changeable and are sometimes called constitutions.) So our freedom (and lack of) is defined by the legal systems, and different legal systems give us different levels of freedom depending upon which one we stand under.

    A common fallacy regarding freedom is to automatically assume that it is a byproduct of modern democracy. In fact, the “only” freedom that a democracy bestows practically on its members is that they have the right, every few years, to vote for one of a set group of representatives who will run the country on their behalf. Whilst modern democracy is an indispensable foundation for free societies, it does not guarantee freedom. That job falls to the legal system, which is not so readily influenced by our periodic voting. (Which is why freedom campaigns often involve legal challenges.)

    Democracy can only be an agent of freedom if it gives people meaningful voting choices (not just a choice of 2 or 3 parties with only cosmetic differences), and if it ensures that the people have the unbiased and undistorted information necessary to make a choice that is in their interest (which can only happen with a mass media and educational system free from undue government and corporate influence). Of course, sometimes the majority may want to use their democratic rights to restrict freedom (for example in the areas of gun ownership, stem cell research, GM foods, pedophilia, the “war against terror” or fox hunting). This is because different freedoms often conflict with each other.

    For example, the freedom to have clean air requires restriction of the freedom for factory owners to produce cheap goods by not having to clean up the pollution generated as a by-product. So the freedom for us all to have clean air conflicts with both the freedom of the factory owner to make larger profits (by having to clean up) and the freedom we all have to buy cheap goods. So freedoms do not necessarily conflict between different groups of people, but often with the same group of people. So the support for freedom is always a balancing act, usually between our collective long-term interests and the short-term interests of not only society, as a whole, but also of particular groups of people (which includes corporations and political groups).

    Another example of this conflict might be in raising a green tax on large 4×4 vehicles to off-set their greater ecological impact. Many of us, especially 4×4 drivers, consider this an affront to our personal freedom to drive our own choice of car, and yet such a tax is likely to be in the interest of future generations, including the very children of those 4×4 drivers. Which freedom is more important? That should be obvious to anybody, but because so many decision makers are taking short-term and selfish perspectives, long-term public interests are not being respected and freedoms are not being chosen wisely.

    We live today in democracies that are increasingly hostile to long-term interests and collective freedom. Our choice of political party at election time is quite restrictive (and becoming increasingly cosmetic), with politicians focused almost exclusively on their own political and financial interests rather than the long-term interests of the country as a whole. Better to promise tax-breaks today to get into power, then austerity to try to lessen the burden on our children. And when politicians are done in public office, they almost invariably move to the boards of the large corporations whose agendas they promoted when they had political power. (Politics and big business have a symbiotic relationship with each other, a symbiosis that is most certainly not in our collective interest.)

    And because the mass media is entirely corporately-owned and largely dependent upon corporate advertising, it has become the propaganda machine for corporate interests, significantly under-reporting stories that might wake the people up into realizing that their freedom to have happy, healthy and fulfilling lives, not only for themselves but also for their children, seriously conflicts with the freedom of the corporate world to maximize profits by enslaving us financially (by careful control of the money supply) and selling us goods and services which we largely do not need.

    As a consequence, we have become slaves to the corporate interest, where the freedom to make high profits has come to dominate all other freedoms. And this collective enslavement is dressed up by the mass media as freedom, so that anyone who critises, for example, the Federal Reserve for enslaving America soon finds themselves accused of being “Anti-American” or a “Communist”. After all, how can the people be slaves when they live in the “Land of the Free”. It is all media propaganda.

    This corporate control of the mass media means that the mind of the people is being strongly manipulated to make voting choices that are not actually in their best interest, but in the short-term interest of corporations and politicians.

    Something else that manipulates the mind of the people into undervaluing freedom is the fact that adults spend the bulk of their waking hours toiling in the corporate environment. Are corporations democratic organizations? Of course not! They are authoritarian organizations — dictatorships — with a strict hierarchy of control. This means that most adults in democratic societies spend most of their time in dictatorships, and this skews their psychology and their values so that social freedom is much easier to pry out of their hands. (Sheep mentality is reinforced at every level.) And it is Commercial Law that is increasingly dictating the terms of that slavery.

    The two main legal systems in most Western democracies are: Common or Civil Law (also called Law of the Land); and Commercial Law (Maritime Admiralty, Banking Law, or the Law of the Sea).

    Common or Civil Law is what normal people think of as law — an accumulating body of formalized rules made by judges in court mostly regarding our behaviour towards others in the interest of keeping society civil. The judges use common sense and previous court decisions (legal precedence) to reach their decisions. This law tends to be country-specific, and all people in that country are automatically obliged, whether they consent or not, to follow those laws, or pay a penalty such as a jail term or fine if they choose not to.

    Commercial Law, on the other hand, deals with commercial agreements between two consenting parties; it is the law of business transactions. If you do not consent to standing under this legal system in any situation, then it has no legal hold over you and you cannot be legally penalized for non-conformity. That said, our birth certificates automatically bind us into a commercial agreement with the State and the banks that control the State; so our parents basically signed us away at birth into bondage to Commercial Law.

    Whereas Civil Law is largely concerned with the issue of fairness in society, Commercial Law is used to bind (enslave) people into legal contracts with organizations that have their own interests at heart (invariably profit and control). It is under Commercial Law that the banks have ended up controlling almost every aspect of society, and it is under Commercial Law that we slave away in order to pay the rent or mortgage.

    Commercial Law also drives the international political agendas that are rapidly eroding individual freedoms, and what is most concerning is that these agendas are immune to the people’s choice of political party. Organizations (actually corporations) taking control of the world using Commercial Law include the United Nations, Food and Agricultural Organization, World Health Organization, World Trade Organization, the International Monetary Fund, the European Parliament… all of which “the people” have little influence over.

    The only way to counter these agendas is either through the courts (by appealing to Common or Civil Law), by knowing enough about Commercial Law so that we do not consent to it in the first place, through mass consumer choice, and through public protest and disobedience (although any form of violence is strongly discouraged as it is counterproductive).

    What is concerning, however, is that with their massive lobbying power and money, corporations are now able to disproportionately influence legislative procedure, which results in a society increasingly bound by Commercial Law and the freedoms of corporations to persue their business (world-domination) agendas with minimal government and legal interference. This destroys the very fabric of human society. And people are so hoodwinked by the propaganda flowing from the mainstream media, that they honestly believe that supporting corporate freedom has something to do with their own freedom, democracy and interests! That is the consequence of very successful propaganda!

    In light of these threats, it is important that we unite to defend encroaches on collective freedom by the “pseudo-freedoms” of special interest groups such as corporations. We need to have public debate about which freedoms are in the collective long-term interest and which are not, and which individual freedoms we are not prepared to surrender. After 9-11, for example, is it really in the collective interest to introduce the Patriot act? Short-term, that is debatable; but long-term, definitely not. After 9/11 we saw shameful intolerance within the US to anybody who opposed the illegal invasion of Iraq, even though Iraq had ostensibly played no part in 9/11, posed no threat to any of the invaders, and had no weapons of mass destruction. In the “land of the free”, you would think that people would respect each other’s right, indeed duty, to voice disapproval of misguided government policy, but that is not what happened… patriotism reared its ugly head and sheep-mentality prevailed.

    Public freedom and civil rights are seriously compromised by fervent patriotism. In the words of Leo Tolstoy, “The subjection of men to government will always continue as long as patriotism exists, for every ruling power rests on patriotism — on the readiness of men to submit to power.” Judging by the staggering number of “freedom” organizations and sites that are plastered with national flags and emblems, there is widespread confusion between patriotism and freedom. Patriotism serves only to pervert government accountability, allowing reprehensible behaviour to go unchallenged, even where that behaviour is directed at the people themselves. This is why governments waste no opportunity to stir up patriotism… it gets them off the hook and back in control.

    Finally, it is important to remember that the freedom that so many of us now take for granted didn’t just come about because everybody agreed that it was a “good idea”. Previous generations literally risked their lives for freedom — that is how much they valued it. Those in authority generally don’t give up that authority willingly; freedom needs to be taken from them (preferably, as Gandhi did, by peaceful means).

    We are now the generation that has become the custodians of freedom. Will we allow it to languish because we have more important things to do like watching TV and shopping, or will we take up the responsibility, as our forebears did, and fight for freedom and civil liberties so that the world is a better place for ourselves and our children?

    But to do that effectively we have to make choices between conflicting freedoms. We will need to favour certain freedoms over others, so the fight for freedom includes the restriction of freedom as well. This is the paradox and there is no simple formula or easy solution to this balancing act. But be warned: if you do not consciously make that choice yourself, it is unconsciously being made for you as you sit each evening in front of your propaganda screen (TV). Remember that there are many different organizations out there spending large amounts of money influencing that decision because the freedom balance has huge financial consequences.

    We are either awake, making choices that are in the collective long-term interest and that of our children, or we are asleep, drifting with the rest of the sheeple towards enslavement — in the name of freedom of course!
    add me on facebook Ed Dethory Eslit

  • Kenbrown

    To me freedom is the of being free as a human and right to speak,eat,walk,to kill yourself.

  • Kenbrown

    To me freedom is the of being free as a human and right to speak,eat,walk,to kill yourself.

  • http://www.sharify.webs.com jawad

    how to use right freedom?

  • Joe Blow… ?`

    Freedom is having a box to type yout opinion in in the certain knowledge that NOBODY gives afuck and will leave you the hell alone

  • Serah

    freedom in nice u rock i totaly understand what ur talking about

  • Reza

    to day freedom is very important especially in back warded country, you said a bout freedom I think it is good for all of lawyer to know a bout freedom.

  • Unknown

    Real freedom, there is no such thing. Real freedom is more like a fiction or verbal thought. There is very little in life that we actually control and do with “free will”.

    For example, we don’t chose our sex or parents, or where we are being born. We do not even chose who to become, because what or who we become depends totally on the environment that we are brought up in. We don’t even choose to like a favorite color, we actually learn to like that color more by being exposed to it or living through many different experienced that relates back to a certain color or feeling, and mood. Color itself can give sense of different moods and feelings. I could go on for many hours but I will just give a little example. We have really no control over life, we are merely reflectors of our cultures.

  • halson mwahalende

    freedom its what you fillto do any thing;that can an idea,thought about politics,economically,culturally with the regard of the law as others do know it and obeyed,subjected to it.

  • Zsolt Palatinus

    Freedom is constraints we like.

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