Comments on: Human or Machine, Can You See a Difference? http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/ SEO Expert and Philosophical Sci-Fi Author Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:39:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5.1 By: sinema http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-35303 sinema Wed, 09 Apr 2008 23:57:25 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-35303 Very good . thanks for sharing... Very good . thanks for sharing…

]]> By: fine art paintings http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-34649 fine art paintings Wed, 16 Jan 2008 04:58:44 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-34649 That robot forum member is really unbelievable. To think that it was able to make several posts before you were able to know its real nature. Have you seen the movie starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johansson, entitled The Island? There were clones ordered by the human owner so they can be assured of a ready body part replacement anytime they need it. That robot forum member is really unbelievable. To think that it was able to make several posts before you were able to know its real nature.

Have you seen the movie starring Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johansson, entitled The Island? There were clones ordered by the human owner so they can be assured of a ready body part replacement anytime they need it.

]]> By: jewellery http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-33716 jewellery Mon, 15 Oct 2007 13:48:24 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-33716 Wow, this whole post is pretty scary. Thanks for my weekly paranoid boost. Needed that. I had just started thinking things were going to be ok! But seriously, how did you manage to figure out that the guy on the forum was a bot? (feels weird writing it that way.) Since everyone else didn't seem to figure it out. Come to think of it, I am wondering about certain 'users' at some forums I hang out at. Sometimes they seem to post unintelligable words, and everything starts with a capital letter. Could this be a bot? If so, it's really scary what they can do. The person who came up with it must be quite brilliant. Wow, this whole post is pretty scary. Thanks for my weekly paranoid boost. Needed that. I had just started thinking things were going to be ok!
But seriously, how did you manage to figure out that the guy on the forum was a bot? (feels weird writing it that way.) Since everyone else didn’t seem to figure it out.
Come to think of it, I am wondering about certain ‘users’ at some forums I hang out at. Sometimes they seem to post unintelligable words, and everything starts with a capital letter. Could this be a bot? If so, it’s really scary what they can do. The person who came up with it must be quite brilliant.

]]> By: Frenk http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32469 Frenk Sat, 11 Aug 2007 08:23:10 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32469 The only thing is that we all have to suck our pockets empty to get what quality backlinks we will need to achieve the top spots. The only thing is that we all have to suck our pockets empty to get what quality backlinks we will need to achieve the top spots.

]]> By: linkdir http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32354 linkdir Tue, 31 Jul 2007 20:06:02 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32354 Very good . You are doing a great job. Very good . You are doing a great job.

]]> By: siyaset http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32173 siyaset Thu, 19 Jul 2007 21:31:42 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-32173 Difference between that machine and humans using questions would obvious be a problem... :) and thanks for sharing... Difference between that machine and humans using questions would obvious be a problem… :)

and thanks for sharing…

]]> By: Jim Westergren http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29707 Jim Westergren Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:48:25 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29707 KeaponLaffin, Thanks for the info. JesseMat, Well, I also read what you wrote. The Law of Accelerating returns was very interesting and a topic I have not studied. I have read about the microships but the basic idea behind it I did not know. I will sure have use for this in my sci-fi writings. Thanks. KeaponLaffin,

Thanks for the info.

JesseMat,

Well, I also read what you wrote. The Law of Accelerating returns was very interesting and a topic I have not studied. I have read about the microships but the basic idea behind it I did not know. I will sure have use for this in my sci-fi writings. Thanks.

]]> By: JesseMat http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29638 JesseMat Mon, 22 Jan 2007 05:31:15 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29638 As far as taking 1000 years for androids or maybe having pets but still being a long ways from humans, I believe there is something you should check out that might change your mind. Search wikipedia for technological singularity and have a read through. Though in a nutshell, it is debatable but most likely true that for any informational technological endeavor; be it genetics, information processing or computers, robotics, pharmacology, etc., the rate of advancement in each field is exponential - meaning that if it takes 10 years for the first breakthrough, then the next will be in 5, and the next in 2 ½, and then about 1 and so on. This was first formulated in Moore’s Law and expanded in the Law of Accelerating returns. The reason for this happening is that in computers, for example, each time you come up with a faster computer you use that new computer to come up with an even faster computer, ad infinitum. So if you look back at the approx. rate of technological advancement in the year 2000, the next century will contain about 20,000 years of progress if it did continue at that rate. So when the author of this article hypothesized continuing at our current rate he was already greatly undercutting our future possibilities. But then again, I may just be talking to a bunch of computer software right now, in fact I wouldn’t be all that surprised. As far as taking 1000 years for androids or maybe having pets but still being a long ways from humans, I believe there is something you should check out that might change your mind. Search wikipedia for technological singularity and have a read through. Though in a nutshell, it is debatable but most likely true that for any informational technological endeavor; be it genetics, information processing or computers, robotics, pharmacology, etc., the rate of advancement in each field is exponential - meaning that if it takes 10 years for the first breakthrough, then the next will be in 5, and the next in 2 ½, and then about 1 and so on. This was first formulated in Moore’s Law and expanded in the Law of Accelerating returns. The reason for this happening is that in computers, for example, each time you come up with a faster computer you use that new computer to come up with an even faster computer, ad infinitum. So if you look back at the approx. rate of technological advancement in the year 2000, the next century will contain about 20,000 years of progress if it did continue at that rate. So when the author of this article hypothesized continuing at our current rate he was already greatly undercutting our future possibilities. But then again, I may just be talking to a bunch of computer software right now, in fact I wouldn’t be all that surprised.

]]> By: KeaponLaffin http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29196 KeaponLaffin Wed, 27 Dec 2006 23:03:28 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29196 We already have fake pets ;) They're still pretty slow mechanically, but getting more and more sophisticated in the software department. Robot dogs can tell the difference between 'family' and 'strangers' already. And we don't need to clone a human brain to detail study it's workings. We just need better resolution scanners (CAT,PET,MRI,etc) to track every impulse between every neuron. We yet do not possess the computing power to simulate that. More importantly, we don't have the computing power to analyze the brain in real time yet either. That will take longer. However, it is estimated that the total Internet will have the raw storage capacity and computing power of a human brain in..less that 40 years. Edge.Org has a good set of articles about this topic. Search for Google becoming Self-Aware in 2050 ;) Good site to bookmark, they only let top real accredited scientists/scholars post there. Of which I'm not We already have fake pets ;) They’re still pretty slow mechanically, but getting more and more sophisticated in the software department. Robot dogs can tell the difference between ‘family’ and ’strangers’ already.
And we don’t need to clone a human brain to detail study it’s workings. We just need better resolution scanners (CAT,PET,MRI,etc) to track every impulse between every neuron.
We yet do not possess the computing power to simulate that. More importantly, we don’t have the computing power to analyze the brain in real time yet either. That will take longer.
However, it is estimated that the total Internet will have the raw storage capacity and computing power of a human brain in..less that 40 years.

Edge.Org has a good set of articles about this topic. Search for Google becoming Self-Aware in 2050 ;)
Good site to bookmark, they only let top real accredited scientists/scholars post there.
Of which I’m not

]]> By: Daniel Robson http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29194 Daniel Robson Wed, 27 Dec 2006 21:46:32 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29194 Sounds like someone's been watching Bladerunner too much ;) As for the forum bots, you can always install the IAI Alice bot: http://alicebot.org/ I use that on my own. Sounds like someone’s been watching Bladerunner too much ;)

As for the forum bots, you can always install the IAI Alice bot:

http://alicebot.org/

I use that on my own.

]]> By: Snappy! http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29183 Snappy! Tue, 26 Dec 2006 11:16:29 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29183 As far as the forum bot is concerned, maybe it has to do with the fact that sometimes forum posts can be quite unintelligent ... ;) btw, any available forum bots that one can download and install? :D Me thinks that a lot can improve in the next 10 ~ 20 years. 10 years ago, we were still stuggling with the new Pentium and the internet was barely available worldwide ... :) As far as the forum bot is concerned, maybe it has to do with the fact that sometimes forum posts can be quite unintelligent … ;)

btw, any available forum bots that one can download and install? :D

Me thinks that a lot can improve in the next 10 ~ 20 years. 10 years ago, we were still stuggling with the new Pentium and the internet was barely available worldwide … :)

]]> By: Jim Westergren http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29175 Jim Westergren Tue, 26 Dec 2006 01:54:38 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29175 You are right Roob. I guess I turned up the controversy a bit to get more attention. It is my core belief that androids/robots can never be developed to the same level of man - not even in 1000 years but they can come very advanced and at the surface they can mistakenly be taken to look and act like a human. I find this very interesting, I think I should write about it more. You are right Roob.

I guess I turned up the controversy a bit to get more attention. It is my core belief that androids/robots can never be developed to the same level of man - not even in 1000 years but they can come very advanced and at the surface they can mistakenly be taken to look and act like a human.

I find this very interesting, I think I should write about it more.

]]> By: Roob http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29174 Roob Tue, 26 Dec 2006 00:58:26 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29174 I disagree. In the 80s, after stunning technological breakthroughs, it was assumed that artificial intelligence (AI) would explode and we'd all have intelligent machines by the year 2000. Yes, we did invent programs capable of beating the best humans at chess, but fundamental roadblocks exist that prevent even simple human-like capability. It should not be ignored that, technologically, the human mind is still lightyears ahead of the most sophisticated sillicon chips. We have several orders of magnitude more neurons than computers have transistors, and our mental architecture is on a whole different dimension of complexity compared to contemporary software. My bet is that we will have fake pets in 40 years, but artificial human intelligence is still a ways away. We will learn to grow cloned brains before we learn to replicate it in-sillico. I disagree. In the 80s, after stunning technological breakthroughs, it was assumed that artificial intelligence (AI) would explode and we’d all have intelligent machines by the year 2000. Yes, we did invent programs capable of beating the best humans at chess, but fundamental roadblocks exist that prevent even simple human-like capability.

It should not be ignored that, technologically, the human mind is still lightyears ahead of the most sophisticated sillicon chips. We have several orders of magnitude more neurons than computers have transistors, and our mental architecture is on a whole different dimension of complexity compared to contemporary software.

My bet is that we will have fake pets in 40 years, but artificial human intelligence is still a ways away. We will learn to grow cloned brains before we learn to replicate it in-sillico.

]]> By: Hans http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29172 Hans Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:16:42 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29172 Another fun thing. Recently Google have claimed me to be a robot one time setting number of search results from 10 to 100. Couldnt do that the 2 time I tried either. But I was still allowed to search with 10 results. After that it was possible for me to change the number of search results. A friend of mine have had the same problem several times using another of Google services. Interresting since we both use Gmail and was logged in and have been using the accounts for a very long time. Another fun thing. Recently Google have claimed me to be a robot one time setting number of search results from 10 to 100. Couldnt do that the 2 time I tried either. But I was still allowed to search with 10 results. After that it was possible for me to change the number of search results.

A friend of mine have had the same problem several times using another of Google services.

Interresting since we both use Gmail and was logged in and have been using the accounts for a very long time.

]]> By: Hans http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29171 Hans Mon, 25 Dec 2006 14:12:15 +0000 http://www.jimwestergren.com/human-or-machine-can-you-see-a-difference/#comment-29171 A different situation but still very valid is a machine created by man. We could have a machine using computers for some sub tasks and one or several human brains for other sub tasks. To difference between that machine and humans using questions would obvious be a problem. Several solutions would be possible. For example demanding, during authentication, that yourself from your room to your garden, and looking up to the sky saying something. That to let a satelit check you out. A lot of other solution is possible. A different situation but still very valid is a machine created by man. We could have a machine using computers for some sub tasks and one or several human brains for other sub tasks.

To difference between that machine and humans using questions would obvious be a problem.

Several solutions would be possible. For example demanding, during authentication, that yourself from your room to your garden, and looking up to the sky saying something. That to let a satelit check you out. A lot of other solution is possible.

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