Hard words from John Scott
Q. Why doesn’t my online drugstone rank for “viagra”, “levitra” or “cialis”?
A. Because you’re a schmuck business adding absolutely no value to the world wide web and as such you have no quality linkage, and will continue to have no quality linkage. Google determines the value of a website based upon its linkage, and rightly so.
The same goes for thousands of other keywords and thousands of other websites. Quit trying to fake success with rankings. Be legitimately successful and the linkage and rankings will follow.
Quoted from John Scott – (“The Anti-SEO”)
Jim Westergren is a company owner from Sweden who lives together with his wife and son. Some of his interests are SEO, web development, writing and
Yeah, I got a kick out of that also, new focus for John?
Heh, at least his link bait worked.
Yessir!
If Google really worked that way they wouldn´t have needed to do a MASSIVE manual clenaup in the top serps for viagra. It has changed totally in the last 2-3 weeks or so, and it is not down to a completely new set of algos.
That John Scott is really something. He’s quite quotable.
Whhooaaa… a new shoemoney ..!
Dr Phil, the clean up was due to the new spider “Bigdaddy” having issues with less trustable links, maybe due to excessive reciprocal link or linking to spammy sites.
And this has become a common practice with dealers working with viagra resale or clone viagra products or somethings along the lines.
My 2 cents
Abhishek
He also cleared that (in his words)
“The Bigdaddy update is independent of our supplemental results, so when Bigdaddy didn’t select pages from a site, that would expose more supplemental results for a site.”
But he also stated … that in early april, they started showing the users some refreshed supplemental results!
And it was then when the SERPs falling problem sprang up!
Also on may 5th their team found out that the “site:” query wasnt showing results of their supplemental results and had it fixed.
Also the new crawler gives much more importance to the “quality of links” So trading links with irrelevant sites could land you in trouble with the SE indexing.
Abhishek
Well i think he’s right.
It’s not that a Viagra selling store is not adding unique content to the world wide web, but the fact that 99.65% of all those online stores are spammers. We have very little patience for the rest of the 0,45% who are legitimate.
And anyway as far as i know, online drug stores are illegal in a lot of states/countries.
Cheers Jim.
For the viagra serps, the results of bigdaddy was that subdomains of big, trusted sites gained in a BIG way. So, viagra selling subdomains of big, old, serious sites in completely unrelated industries got in the top 10!!! Like reputable travellning agencies. Lots of $$$ up for grabs!
It is no doubt in my mind that the true masters of seo – the top most evil black hats, quickly approached companies owning trusted domains and told them what kind of money could be made here. Cooperation then followed. Then things got cleaned in a manual way by google. And the serps of viagra got to be one of the most consumer friendly of all search phrases. At least the top serps, anyway.
Bigdaddy cleared out a lot of spammy stuff in the serps for generic meds, no doubt about that. But I´m sure they will adapt and be back.
Another thing that followed bigdaddy: the extra emphasis on backlinking meant that BH:s quickly wrote a bunch of applications that spammed the s**t out of peoples guestbooks and blogs. And it worked for them. (Another reason for doing it is probably googles slow indexing times of late) I got around 3000 spammy comments in my blogs alone!
…and no. I am no real black hat. More like the greyish kind, like you all. Yeah, among other things I run a network of generic meds websites, but that doesn´t have to be BH. I consider linkbuying webmasters (something that is a common practice nowdays)to be WAY darker than the average viagra review type site out there…
dr phil, Cristian and Abhishek: Thanks for the nice info about Viagra SERPs, BigDaddy and spamming.
I checked the SERPs just now and it is very clean except #10, hehe. A redirect located under aol.com.
Hey Jim Do you know who the new shoemoney is ??
Checkout the link of the person who posted as shoemoney! :-s
Abhishek
Cheers Jim.
Enough Shoemoney. He scamed me and others with his contest.
Yeah, forget the Shoemoney contest. It’s over. Looks like he didn’t really want the competition.
Dunno guys, but he definitely doesn’t seem to be the real shoemoney, check his URL it’s something like http://www.new-shoemoney.com :-s
Abhishek
Let’s not spam Jim’s blog anymore with other than the relevant post comments, and we discussed about the real Shoemoney Abhishek
I swear I was thinking the same, hehe Jim’s gonna go all crazy over me for doing this
Jim please delete these posts!
And yeh guys www. new-shoemoney. com is actually a domain and was up the other day with a rather funny image of the standard Shoemoney logo!
Hehe.
There are faster posts in this “thread” than on my forum!
Yeah, I know about the Shoemoney contest. I could probably make it giving all juice I have but it’s not worth it. Wall Street ain’t gonna write about it.
Did you guys see my latest article?
Should I remove nofollow on the comment posts? Discuss!
Yes I did read it and also wrote about it!
Btw got my mail ?
Abhishek
“Yes I did read it and also wrote about it!”
Nice! Thanks. Will comment on your blog now.
About the design. No navigation needed now, you choose the rest. If you make it nice I have more waiting for you.
More Good news for you check your mail in like 5 mins :d
That’s because I receive an e-mail whenever a post is made here. I read my mail every 5 minutes.
IMHO no.. spammers are all around us.
Until the SEs decide to completly drop the nofollow, leave it.
Nice Abhishek!
Ok Cristian, I have to think about it. Spam Karma 2 is almost overheated on this blog. Maybe I should get more bandwidth just for Spam Karma 2, hehe.
Spam Karma sucks… Use Akismet man.
How do i quote ?
And i see it works in your post. Don’t you see it correct ?
Hmm, I like Spam Karma. Never heard of Akismet.
Yeah, now the quoting works. I edited my post. Thanks.
Jim,
Akismet seems to come pre installed with Wordpress, or so I guess!
Abhishek
The “nofollow” issue is no big deal. Leave it on. The tag was originally intended to tell search engines “a user submitted this link”. That’s what happens in blogs.
Not that a user submitted a link.
It’s just that no PR or trust is transfered.
Wasn’t it so that nofollow was invented because of blog spam?
But what if I filter all the blog spam? And want to give some juice to my friends?
I am just thinking about the internal PR flow of the site. My SEO contest page is for example PR6 and that post made several other posts PR6 because it was linked from it. But if all the 209 comments was not nofollowed that would probably not have happened as a very little PR share would go to the other pages.
Hmmm.
Filter all spam and disable nofollow would be the best scenario. Nofollow punishes everyone. I only wish spamkarma and akismet worked 100%, I suspect someone wrote a script that uses some flaws in the plugins, as I get spammy stuff anyway.
MSN and yahoo (?) doesn´t care about the nofollow, that´s why the spamming continues. BH:s get most of their traffic from those sources, also those visitors are most inexperienced and likely to go clicking on whatever ad is present…
Big part of the blog comments has a sitemap as URL, they are obliously functioning as part of an indexing strategy. This gives rise to another question: how can this help with indexing in G if the G spider don´t follow the nofollow tag?
As these guys are far ahead of the average dude on DP, they must be on to something?
I will give it some time and see how I go about this.
I am not sure about MSN. Yahoo does not follow it as per sources I read altough it does show on their backlink query (stupid flaw). MSN is not displaying nofollow links in their backlink query, I believe they don’t follow.
I think that Google actually follows it but no juice is given.
Yes, true.
Interesting … never seen that.
I don’t think blogspam is working that well, but I have never tested so I can’t really say.
Jim,
If all 209 links weren’t nofollowed, you would not have had a PR 6 on the target pages, IMHO. The idea of giving commenters “links that count” in the search engines really isn’t a blogger idea. That’s more of an “Only an SEO would think of it” type of idea. People should leave comments because they want to, not because you’re paying them with a crappy link
Bloggers make comments in blogs for direct traffic. It’s a great way to draw in bloggers in the same vertical as you, and it doesn’t cost anything.
And imagine what happens if you link to a deadly “bad neighborhood” because of an outgoing link in your blog?
The whole Nofollow issue, if you think about it, probably doesn’t mean a damn thing to even 1% of the population. And Yahoo ignores the damn thing anyways
I don’t know if this counts, but i’m #2 in G for Shoe.
Thanks a lot for the input Darren. I’ll keep the nofollow on.
Hey, great man. Maybe offer some shoes?
Yes, blog spam works to a certain degree. The reason it exploded is that linking to bad neighbourhoods can damage the good, clean badguy owned main sites that “leaks” PR to a spammy cluster/network.
I wouldn´t run a DITY or similar script. However I sometimes manually drop links in a number of old .edu guestbooks as a part of a broader SEO strategy. A site can acctually rank OK on those alone sometimes.
Hmm, we drifted off topic here a bit. S**t, I almost have to get my own SEO blog to write about the wierd think outside the box type stuff that I experiment with from time to time, haha.
Hmmm … I need to try that, hehe
Please do!
dr phil,
I was just checking new posts in my swedish SEO forum and I see the name dr phil. It must be you, lol. Hehe. Didn’t know.
Yup, that´s me. A short hint on .edu: search for typo file names to find ancient, forgotten ones that the average spammer never found.
Amazingly enough, Dr Phil seems to be the only person who’s name isn’t link to a site lol!
Yes, also not on my forum! I am really curious to see his URL.
From him:
dr phil, can you reveal your URLs
OK, I´ll give you the main one here, hope you disable nofollow.
Hmmm, nofollow is on but I have some doubt that this is your site. Well well.
Sometimes the truth hurts.
I don’t think pharmacy sites will rank well because a google filter?
Remember: it´s about ranking in relation to other pharmacy type sites.
And that is what John Scott got wrong.
http://eecsatri.blogspot.com
i am not sure if phramacy sites have better stuff to some technical sites or some fun stuff.
http://eecsatri.blogspot.com
small query about google
would like to know if the age of a webpage is a key factor for top ranking in SEO
Them’s fight’n words! hehehe, give them a kick for me too can ya?